We are living in a world of illusion

[MMS]

Matthew 17:14-20

14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

 

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I think you limit God and that makes your beliefs in God limited

I’m not so arrogant to do such a thing

You assume to much and should study and meditate more on the OT since it seems to be confusing your ideas

without understanding Hebrew you are unable to see the full narrative coming out of Egypt (coping)

reread Isaiah 19 the idols of Egypt are tottering

Spoiler

reread the iconography of Heh again

Renenutet - Wikipedia
hindsight
We are living in a world of illusion

John 3:11-21

lets not deflect onto me, breh

you love to dodge questions and make it seem like I’m the one confused when I’m simply quoting what I think YOU believe

I’m not making my own statement about God or trying to prove my knowledge or some deeper understanding of the Bible

I’m asking you if this is what YOU think and if YOU see the Bible/religion this way

if I’m wrong about what you believe or what you were trying to say then just correct me or maybe give a simple “yes or no” response

you didn’t address one thing I mentioned in the post

All this stuff about Atenism and Moses is nothing new people been saying it believing it for years

I’m just wondering what NEW do you have to say on the topic

and is this the basis of your focus on Egypt as a launching pad for all your other religious beliefs

cause you seem to go left with the Bible soon as Moses comes into the picture


You think I don’t know how you think

 

[MMS]

let not deflect onto me, breh

you love to dodge questions and make it seem like I’m the one confused when I’m simply quoting what I think YOU believe

I’m not making my own statement about God or trying to prove my knowledge or dapper some understanding of the Bible

I’m asking you if this is what YOU think and if YOU see the Bible/religion this way

you didn’t address one thing I mentioned in the post

All this stuff about Atenism and Moses is nothing new people been saying it believing it for years

I’m just wondering what NEW do you have to say on the topic

and is this the basis of your focus on Egypt as a launching pad for all your other religious beliefs

cause you seem to go left with the Bible soon as Moses comes into the picture


You think I don’t know how you think

Moses is dear to god and dear to me too you know prophets and saints died just so we have their testimony...its important to remember that. It doesnt mean that the texts arent above scrutiny. God gives us free will to choose our own discernment and it in itself is a gift.

its important to understand that many men have wrestled with angels and struggled against God. Some have even gone so far to play God to disastrous consequences

they've tried to make sense of things when sense cant always be made, but God loves all people and the cattle and the creeping thing the herbs, and the dust itself

creation is an amazing thing yet God's presence in it is that much greater. People spend too much time thinking about what they want and not enough time appreciating what God brings them

in orthodoxy there is a belief in a "Great cloud of witnesses"

 

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Moses is dear to god and dear to me too you know prophets and saints died just so we have their testimony...its important to remember that. It doesnt mean that the texts arent above scrutiny. God gives us free will to choose our own discernment and it in itself is a gift.

its important to understand that many men have wrestled with angels and struggled against God. Some have even gone so far to play God to disastrous consequences

they've tried to make sense of things when sense cant always be made, but God loves all people and the cattle and the creeping thing the herbs, and the dust itself

creation is an amazing thing yet God's presence in it is that much greater. People spend too much time thinking about what they want and not enough time appreciating what God brings them

in orthodoxy there is a belief in a "Great cloud of witnesses"

yea but do you think Moses and Akhenaten are the same person?

or do you think Moses was an early follower of Atenism?

The God that sent his son Jesus to the lost tribe of Israel, was that Aten or Yaweh?

 

[MMS]

yea but do you think Moses and Akhenaten are the same person?

or do you think Moses was an early follower of Atenism?

The God that sent his son Jesus to the lost tribe of Israel, was that Aten or Yaweh?

Why do you inquire to me, about Atenism? It's 2021

Sun worship isn't unique to Egypt.

Exactly why do you believe Akhenaten is Moses? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that Moses exists outside of biblical reference? What does Moses represent to you?

Do you believe Jews were mistreated by Egyptian courts or were they accommodated?
Elephantine papyri and ostraca - Wikipedia

They were drawn out of Egypt...but not as whats depicted in "Prince of Egypt" also the name YHWH pronunciation is not as you continue to do. At least from my perspective

I have illuminated why it is significant as well as why it is the sacred name

Here is wikis explanation of the name "Moses":

An Egyptian root msy ('child of') has been considered as a possible etymology, arguably an abbreviation of a theophoric name, as for example in Egyptian names like Thutmoses ('child of Thoth') and Ramesses ('child of Ra'),[21] with the god's name omitted. Abraham Yahuda, based on the spelling given in the Tanakh, argues that it combines "water" or "seed" and "pond, expanse of water," thus yielding the sense of "child of the Nile" (mw-š).[22]

The biblical account of Moses's birth provides him with a folk etymology to explain the ostensible meaning of his name.[21][23] He is said to have received it from the Pharaoh's daughter: "he became her son. She named him Moses (מֹשֶׁה Mōšê), saying, 'I drew him out (מְשִׁיתִֽהוּ mǝšîtihû) of the water'."[24][25] This explanation links it to the root משׁה mšh, meaning "to draw out".[25][26] The eleventh-century Tosafist Isaac b. Asher haLevi noted that the princess names him the active participle Drawer-out (מֹשֶׁה Mōšê), not the passive participle Drawn-out (נמשה Nimšê), in effect prophesying that Moses would draw others out (of Egypt); this has been accepted by some scholars.[27][28]

The Hebrew etymology in the Biblical story may reflect an attempt to cancel out traces of Moses's Egyptian origins.[28] The Egyptian character of his name was recognized as such by ancient Jewish writers like Philo and Josephus.[28] Philo linked Moses's name (Ancient Greek: Μωϋσῆς, romanized: Mōysēs, lit. 'Mōusḗs') to the Egyptian (Coptic) word for 'water' (möu, μῶυ), in reference to his finding in the Nile and the biblical folk etymology.[29] Josephus, in his Antiquities of the Jews, claims that the second element, -esês, meant 'those who are saved'. The problem of how an Egyptian princess, known to Josephus as Thermutis (identified as Tharmuth)[25] and to 1 Chronicles 4:18 as Bithiah,[30] could have known Hebrew puzzled medieval Jewish commentators like Abraham ibn Ezra and Hezekiah ben Manoah. Hezekiah suggested she either converted or took a tip from Jochebed.[31][32]

this however is the historical "Moses"
Ahmose I - Wikipedia

whom expelled the Hyksos from Egypt and unified it starting the 18th dynasty (many years before the time of Akhenaten)

 

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Why do you inquire to me, about Atenism? It's 2021

Sun worship isn't unique to Egypt.

Exactly why do you believe Akhenaten is Moses? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that Moses exists outside of biblical reference? What does Moses represent to you?

Do you believe Jews were mistreated by Egyptian courts or were they accommodated?
Elephantine papyri and ostraca - Wikipedia

They were drawn out of Egypt...but not as whats depicted in "Prince of Egypt" also the name YHWH pronunciation is not as you continue to do. At least from my perspective

I have illuminated why it is significant as well as why it is the sacred name

Here is wikis explanation of the name "Moses":



this however is the historical "Moses"
Ahmose I - Wikipedia

whom expelled the Hyksos from Egypt and unified it starting the 18th dynasty (many years before the time of Akhenaten)

Fair enough, I understand how YOU view Moses

and I accept how you don’t agree with the Moses in Christianity

But what about the Moses from the God of Islam?

Story of Moses in the Quran

Moses seems to be a central figure in Islam

So I guess the Allah and Muhammad were wrong

Or maybe you know more than Allah/Muhammad?

I thought you semi believed in Islam

Now you gotta make sense of Moses in Islam to me (not because I believe in the Koran or anything) but it’s is problematic how it’s essentially your word/studies vs Gods.

You’d think people 2-3 thousand years ago would know better whether it be by their own knowledge/traditions or Gods own revelation

 

[Robo Squirrel]

I love the Matrix because of its philosophical themes

One of them is the idea that you're living in a dreamworld. A world of Illusion.

People take this "literally" (from the POV of the movie characters) and wonder if we are living in a computer simulation. We're not.

But we are living in a world of illusion. And just like in the Matrix the truth is not very far from where you are now, but it will fukc your head up.

Get out of here now if you are a Blue Pill Breh. Enjoy your digital steak without knowing the real.

Here are a few layers of programming you need to free your head from

Language:

the natural human is born without it. It's very handy, but is totally imaginary and very misleading if you think language is real.

Try to look at a billboard without reading the words. Impossible.

Simply put. A label can oversimplify a real object. If you label a person a terrorist, you've closed the door on him being a hero, a freedom fighter, a martyr. Depending on what side you're on, one side's thief is another side's Robin Hood. Any one object is really countless parts that could be considered their own object. Or. Any single object is really a part of larger and larger "wholes". A countless number.

Numbers and words are completely imaginary, but very useful to exchange important information. And now most words carry unimportant info and misinformation.

Dogma:

Lots of people BELIEVE in G-d. The only reason why is they were taught to by their parents. If you never heard of any religion before you were like 20 years old you would laugh your ass off at the things they portray as truth. I even know better than most of it, yet I can't shake the feeling of an angry G-d ready to destroy me. I think G-d is real but its not a humanoid in the sky. Its the essence and.consciousness of the entirety of existence. The One that everything else adds up to.

Myths are fine, but really examine The things people tell you. If it doesn't make sense then it was likely added for the purpose of manipulating the congregation and collecting money, not true wisdom

Optimism/Pessimism

Your expectation is what really controls how you feel. If you expect to be treated as an important person, but you get treated like regular people - you may be upset. If you already know you're not special then you're fine with normal.

To approach every situation as if its gonna go your way - optimism - is just setting yourself up for disappointment. A significant percent of the time.

Same with pessimism. You end up being surprised.when it works out, but.you spend the whole day before.the interview feeling terrible. So you're still adding bad vibes to everyday processes.

Things will neither always go well nor always go bad. So the permagrin or permafrown is just extra. You should know the odds and try your best but don't decide what the outcome will be before you see the outcome

The movie is based off of philosophy. I read the book.

 

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[MMS]

Fair enough, I understand how YOU view Moses

and I accept how you don’t agree with the Moses in Christianity

But what about the Moses from the God of Islam?

Story of Moses in the Quran

Moses seems to be a central figure in Islam

So I guess the Allah and Muhammad were wrong

Or maybe you know more than Allah/Muhammad?

I thought you semi believed in Islam

Now you gotta make sense of Moses in Islam to me (not because I believe in the Koran or anything) but it’s is problematic how it’s essentially your word/studies vs Gods.

You’d think people 2-3 thousand years ago would know better whether it be by their own knowledge/traditions or Gods own revelation

Musa is a plot device in the Quran, like many other characters

i said to you before that the names in the bible represent archetypes more than they do singular people.

You need to expand your understanding of the text in your hands before you attempt to decipher other texts. I have posted texts from egypt, greece, china using just numbers

whatever came to mind is what i posted....with that said, read/watch this post

We are living in a world of illusion

Gematria value of goku cant keep his eye off of naked peacock assassin is 1729 - English, Hebrew and Simple Gematria Calculator Values

then read this one again

We are living in a world of illusion

 

[horizon]

Philosophical thread ruined by amateur ministers

 

[MMS]

Philosophical thread ruined by amateur ministers

shattered like a potters vessel

 

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Philosophical thread ruined by amateur ministers

“amateur ministers”

that would make a good movie starring someone like Kevin hart and Nick cannon

I’m definitely here to do the learning not teaching.

but I think the illusion part of the thread died months ago

 

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Musa is a plot device in the Quran, like many other characters

i said to you before that the names in the bible represent archetypes more than they do singular people.

You need to expand your understanding of the text in your hands before you attempt to decipher other texts. I have posted texts from egypt, greece, china using just numbers

whatever came to mind is what i posted....with that said, read/watch this post

We are living in a world of illusion

Gematria value of goku cant keep his eye off of naked peacock assassin is 1729 - English, Hebrew and Simple Gematria Calculator Values

then read this one again

We are living in a world of illusion

Jesus speaks of Moses/Musa too. Was he not real as well?

last time I checked Jesus spoke in words not numbers

not everyone can read or do math or understand complex philosophical ideas like those presented in this thread

I’m not arguing to see who’s smarter or knows more.

I’m just saying somethings you’ve said you believe don’t make sense logically based on those very same texts where you get your ideas

I’m just giving you the benefit of doubt to explain it to me instead of judging you

 

[MMS]

Jesus speaks of Moses/Musa too. Was he not real as well?

last time I checked Jesus spoke in words not numbers

not everyone can read or do math or understand complex philosophical ideas like those presented in this thread

I’m not arguing to see who’s smarter or knows more.

I’m just saying somethings you’ve said you believe don’t make sense logically based on those very same texts where you get your ideas

I’m just giving you the benefit of doubt to explain it to me instead of judging you

you should check again. All languages still have a numeric component. Especially hebrew

Bible Gematria

I didn’t learn about it until I found the “Bible wheel” and put some of the ideas to the test

Whether you think there is anything to it isn’t on me

the Quran is also numerically encoded

 

[MMS]

“amateur ministers”

that would make a good movie starring someone like Kevin hart and Nick cannon

I’m definitely here to do the learning not teaching.

but I think the illusion part of the thread died months ago

If you look back it’s like you’re neo and MMS is Morpheus

finna get a phone in a bag in the mail angry call sounding like:

Job 38:1-4

1Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

We are living in a world of illusion

speaking of Agent smith

consider these lines:

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

replication