Water Crisis in Flint, Michigan: April 25, 2014 - TBD; 5 Michigan Health Officials Charged

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My R.O. systems' sediment filter (most commonly the first line of defense before two other filters) was changed two nights ago. It was white and is now completely brown..

The one I threw away was so filled with muck that water couldn't even pass through anymore. Even with a booster pump pushing the PSI to 90.

The water from tap isn't even safe to bathe in.

Yikes. I had a friend who worked for the city dealing with infrastructure in some capacity and they were telling me there's so much waste, due to inefficient systems especially with water. For instance we supposedly even have wooden pipes in places still and that's the city. If you were to then to consider individual households piping which range in quality and in age the scale is unfathomable. All things considered NYC still has some of the purest water which runs from upstate.
 

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Sounds like whoever built flint was an idiot or just out for the cash.


From what I'm reading they're going to have to completely redo the plumbing in the city to fix this because so many pipes contain lead. Is it just the water mains from the treatment plants or the water mains and the pipes in the homes?

I think this will be taken care of. Flint is 41 percent Caucasian

Nothing new. Pretty much all old cities have had to do this.
 

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Not to get too conspiratorial but my mother had to go to a team building event in Grand Rapids I think it was last year and I guess Republicans are throwing a ton of money around there. Could explain the lack of outrage. Seems like Detroit is a big target for investment too. Doesn't Michigan still have a ton of fiscal stress/debt?
I lived in Grand Rapids for a few years. There's definitely a lot of Republican money flowing through there, but Lansing, Ann Arbor and Detroit are all closer to Flint and have media. Not to mention, there are a lot of young people around the Grand Rapids area as well.

The state as a whole has a lot of liberal hot spots since there are colleges and universities everywhere. I still don't understand how Snyder won two elections or how this story was kept under wraps like this.

The economy in general is still terrible. Not a lot of opportunities for young people. That's why a lot of us who are from Michigan are in other states now.

Maybe you're right about the money getting thrown around to keep the coverage down. The DeVos and Van Andel families are based out of GR and they are loaded. :ehh:
 

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The lawsuit payouts seem like they'd be worth it. :ld:

Oh you mean you'd think the city would be proactive and make modifications as to prevent lawsuits? Yeah...in a perfect world...

I don't think any city was proactive, so I wouldn't hold my breath now. There are a lot of older people that were affected by this that had no idea they could sue and receive benefits.

Not to mention, to be proactive, you need money - something Flint absolutely does not have.
 

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Oh you mean you'd think the city would be proactive and make modifications as to prevent lawsuits? Yeah...in a perfect world...

I don't think any city was proactive, so I wouldn't hold my breath now. There are a lot of older people that were affected by this that had no idea they could sue and receive benefits.

Not to mention, to be proactive, you need money - something Flint absolutely does not have.
Sue the state.
 

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Sue the state.

You make it sound easy. One of the places I live a guy got in a huge civil legal battle with the town about construction and jurisdiction. The local court ruled in his favor but then the town appealed and ultimately won in state appeals court. It also ultimately took so long that the man passed away granted he was elderly but I think around 5 years to the final ruling. It cost him roughly a million in legal fees, the town a million in legal fees, and he also had to disassemble the building probably around 2 million in construction and another 2 million in property value. .Even if you're rolling in money and time things can go either way especially when politics and the state's rights are involved. Time and time again instead of the state ruling on law they do whatever is expedient for their needs.


Edit: Hell looking back the appeals court even went against precedent and overturned previous case law
 
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You make it sound easy. One of the places I live a guy got in a huge civil legal battle with the town about construction and jurisdiction. The local court ruled in his favor but then the town appealed and ultimately won in state appeals court. It also ultimately took so long that the man passed away granted he was elderly but I think around 5 years to the final ruling. It cost him roughly a million in legal fees, the town a million in legal fees, and he also had to disassemble the building probably around 2 million in construction and another 2 million in property value. .Even if you're rolling in money and time things can go either way especially when politics and the state's rights are involved. Time and time again instead of the state ruling on law they do whatever is expedient for their needs.


Edit: Hell looking back the appeals court even went against precedent and overturned previous case law
Justice costs millions.

The country is broken.
 

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Sounds like whoever built flint was an idiot or just out for the cash.


From what I'm reading they're going to have to completely redo the plumbing in the city to fix this because so many pipes contain lead. Is it just the water mains from the treatment plants or the water mains and the pipes in the homes?

I think this will be taken care of. Flint is 41 percent Caucasian


It's the pipes leading to homes and there are some ares in the city worse off than others
 

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I still lived in Michigan when that snake got elected. People fell for his "tough nerd" campaign. Never been more disappointed in the state. He's probably worse than Walker but somehow manages to fly under the radar. It's baffling to me.
It's so crazy because voter turnout is so depressingly low in places like Flint, Pontiac, Detroit, Saginaw that you can barely get people to pay attention to serious local issues like this one. Friends of mine have been organizing protests and water giveaways and you would not believe how difficult it has been just to get people to plug in and be aware of what's going on, let alone get them out of the house to some and protest.
 

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A State of Emergency Over Water in Flint
Citing toxic levels of lead in the drinking water, the mayor of the Michigan town said “irreversible” damage is being done to children in the area.

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Michigan's Flint River Wikimedia

The mayor of Flint, Michigan, has declared a state of emergency over the city’s drinking water, which she says has caused “irreversible” damage to the health of the children consuming it.

“This action is being taken to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of Flint,” wrote Karen Weaver in the declaration Monday night.

Over the past year, residents have increasingly complained of health issues, and doctors have detected high iron levels in patients’ blood. Last April, the city switched from Detroit’s water system to the use of the local Flint River in an effort to save money during a financial crisis.

“The Flint River was supposed to be an interim source until the city could join a new system getting water from Lake Huron,” the AP noted. Officials have since urged residents not to drink unfiltered tap water.

In a dispatch from Flint earlier this year, my colleague Alana Samuels outlined the problem, including how the city’s diminishing population impacts its ability to improve its aging infrastructure.

Like many cities in America, Flint has lost residents but still has to provide services like water and sewer and road maintenance within the same boundaries. All while bringing in less tax revenue to pay for it. Flint has not had the money to spend on crucial infrastructure upgrades, and has left old pipes in place for longer than most engineers would recommend. Water prices are rising in Flint, like they are in lots of other cities, but the quality of water is getting worse, not better.

Weaver, elected last month, had campaigned on a promise of declaring an emergency if conditions didn’t change. And while it’s not clear what concrete changes the declaration will inspire, some residents were happy to see some action being taken.

“I’m thrilled,” wrote Melissa Mays, a resident of Flint, in an email on Tuesday. “It’s what we’ve been pushing for since we found out how badly our infrastructure was damaged. It’s definitely a step in the right direction.”


A State of Emergency Over Water in Flint
 

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The Effects of Flint's Lead-Tainted Water Will Reverberate For a Lifetime
The Michigan city’s switch to local river water has resulted in a civic scandal, a public health emergency, and an alleged violation of constitutional rights.

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Lemott Thomas carries free water being distributed at the Lincoln Park United Methodist Church in Flint, Michigan. (AP Photo/Paul Sancy)
So “egregious and so outrageous that it shocks the conscience”: That is how residents of Flint, Michigan have characterized the actions of city officials handling a water supplies tainted with dangerous levels of lead.

20 months after the city began sourcing its water from the highly corrosive Flint River, Mayor Mayor Karen Weaver (who won the November election against predecessor Dayne Walling, in a campaign dominated by the issue of water) has officially declared a state of emergency in hopes of attracting federal support.

“The City of Flint has experienced a Manmade disaster,” Weaver said in her official declaration.

At this point, it’s not even about the water itself. Avoiding Flint tap water was already “a way of life for the city’s residents,” writes the Washington Post. Andafter rising suspicions over the water’s taste and appearance, damning results from an independent, scientific survey, and little meaningful action on the part of city officials, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder announced in October that Flint would stop sourcing from the river and connect to Detroit’s water system, as it had done prior to April 2014.

No, the emergency in Flint is about the consequences of lead exposure, which can last a lifetime. Weaver said that the health effects on children will increase the “need for special education and mental health services and an increase in the the juvenile justice system.”

Young children are particularly to the toxic effects of ingested lead, as they absorb four to five times as much as adults, according to the World Health Organization. In particular, WHO states:

[L]ead affects children’s brain development resulting in reduced intelligence quotient (IQ), behavioral changes such as shortening of attention span and increased antisocial behavior, and reduced educational attainment. Lead exposure also causes anemia, hypertension, renal impairment, immunotoxicity and toxicity to the reproductive organs. The neurological and behavioral effects of lead are believed to be irreversible.

In Flint, local doctors recently presented findings that the share of infants and children with above-average levels of lead in their blood has practically doubled since the city flipped the valves to Flint River water.

“I was hysterical,” Lee Anne Walters, a resident whose son was found to have had heightened lead levels in his blood after the switch, told the Free Press. “I cried when they gave me my first lead report.”

Whatever the declaration of emergency may bring, it may not suffice for many outraged residents. In a federal class-action lawsuit filed in November against Snyder, the state, the city and other public officials, Flint community members claim that these representatives “ignored irrefutable evidence that the water pumped from the Flint River exposed the Plaintiffs and the Plaintiff Class to extreme toxicity.”

"They knew this. Through the Freedom of Information Act, we have all sorts of documents that show that they knew, and they lied to us," Lila Pemberton, whose family members are named as plaintiffs, told Fox News.

The lawsuit alleges that the actions of government officials violated the residents’ 14th Amendment rights to life, liberty and property.

the Detroit News. The other part is owing the utility more than $150. Currently, 9,200 customers are eligible for shutoff. Thousands of residents already live without running water.

In 2014, Detroit’s “unprecedented scale” of water shut-offs attracted international attention and a visit by UN human rights experts, who declared, “It is contrary to human rights to disconnect water from people who simply do not have the means to pay their bills.” Days before, a federal judge ruled against advocates’ request for a restraining order that would stop water shut-offs made on the basis of delinquent pay. Like the Flint residents, the Detroit plaintiffs had alleged that the city had violated residents’ 14th Amendment rights.

Certainly, the hazards of living without safe drinking water access are a matter of degree, not opinion. In Flint, the reverberations of lead exposure will continue long after the lawsuit is over, after the federal government intervenes (or doesn’t), after lead pipes are replaced (if they are), and after children leave home (or don’t). As the Post suggests, residents, and especially parents, are now at the start a lifetime of wondering: Would things have turned out differently, if it hadn’t been for the water?

The Effects of Flint's Lead-Tainted Water Will Reverberate For a Lifetime
 

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Yikes. I had a friend who worked for the city dealing with infrastructure in some capacity and they were telling me there's so much waste, due to inefficient systems especially with water. For instance we supposedly even have wooden pipes in places still and that's the city. If you were to then to consider individual households piping which range in quality and in age the scale is unfathomable. All things considered NYC still has some of the purest water which runs from upstate.

Ancient Romans were more advanced than us :dead:
 
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