‘Waste of time’: Community college transfers derail students

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Hold up breh address his response.

I was a product of community college, and I dealt with some fukk shyt and misinformation.

However my biggest issue was working while going school. Instead of just going to school.

Most people that I saw mess up in community college was largely because they were working too much, so they couldn’t keep up school.

Ultimately their part time job in retail turned into full time, then they fell behind their studies.
I am aware of people working part time and doing school. That happens in a four-year school too.

The problem is he isn't addressing what's the in the article about schools not accepting credits. He dismissed it. He needs to address that before throwing in something else.
 

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I am aware of people working part time and doing school. That happens in a four-year school too.

The problem is he isn't addressing what's the in the article about schools not accepting credits. He dismissed it. He needs to address that before throwing in something else.
I think the reason people drop out of community college is because they may feel less connected to the institution and less invested in their education. Additionally, they may not be prepared for the academic rigor of college.

While people at 4-year institutions do drop out, it is not at the same rate. This could be because students at 4-year institutions are selected based on their academic ability in high school, while community colleges accept students from a variety of backgrounds.

It's like giving a large loan to someone with bad credit and being disappointed when they default, versus giving a loan to someone with good credit who is more likely to pay it back without issue.

I don't agree with Cross's response, but I "get" his assessment.

And regarding the misaligned website, I dropped a website that does a class verification checklist for every higher education institution in California.

Every academic counselor in the CC system recommends it. That's literally all the counsels do.
 

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I think the reason people drop out of community college is because they may feel less connected to the institution and less invested in their education. Additionally, they may not be prepared for the academic rigor of college.

While people at 4-year institutions do drop out, it is not at the same rate. This could be because students at 4-year institutions are selected based on their academic ability in high school, while community colleges accept students from a variety of backgrounds.

It's like giving a large loan to someone with bad credit and being disappointed when they default, versus giving a loan to someone with good credit who is more likely to pay it back without issue
None of this has to do with students who try to attend four-year colleges and have their credits deemed not acceptable.

You not addressing what is in the article.
 

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None of this has to do with students who try to attend four-year colleges and have their credits deemed not acceptable.

You not addressing what is in the article.
Once again, I addressed this in a previous post:

This website is a recommended verification check for every higher education institution in CC.

IDK how this young lady didn't double check the requirements before taking classes or even transferring. This website was heavily emphasized at the CC level when I was in school.

I'm pretty sure it was in the syllabus's as well:

Play around with it yourself to see how straight forward it is.
 

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Once again, I addressed this in a previous post:

This website is a recommended verification check for every higher education institution in CC.

IDK how this young lady didn't double check the requirements before taking classes or even transferring. This website was heavily emphasized at the CC level when I was in school.

I'm pretty sure it was in the syllabus's as well:

Play around with it yourself to see how straight forward it is.
You wrote sentence, and proceeded to say "students in community college don't finish because of work/lack of connection/something else." That is what you seem more concerned about.

And the assist thing clearly isn't working if advisors still giving bad advice. :what:

Ya'll gotta stop this goofy bootstrap shyt. If people are getting bad advice from advisors, and you also realize these colleges see students as revenue producers only, then understand there is a problem with the system instead of only blaming students. :why:

@OfTheCross wrote that because he doesn't like to show any empathy on this site.
 
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Like you can site that assist site, but the Cali government still set up a program to make students transfer to attend Cal State colleges and have all their credits accepted. That means they realize its also an issue. :why:
Strawman


If you take classes at CSU-Pueblo, will all those classes transfer to University of Colorado Boulder.

So why do suddenly expect that to be at the case that all 112 CC's in California will line up with all CSU's and UC's.
 

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This is on ol girl.

They literally have a website lets you know what will transfer:
IDK how this young lady didn't double check the requirements before taking classes or even transferring. This website was heavily emphasized at the CC level when I was in school.


I'm guessing you didn't read the whole article?


"Korba thought she was taking the right classes at Columbia College, a community college in Sonora. She worked with a counselor and used an online catalog showing which courses were supposed to transfer to CSU schools.

But when officials at Bakersfield reviewed the transcript, they said most of her classes wouldn’t count toward her major.

University officials declined to comment on Korba’s case, but said a small number of transfer credits can fall into a “gray area” and require extra review."
 

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Strawman


If you take classes at CSU-Pueblo, will all those classes transfer to University of Colorado Boulder.

So why do suddenly expect that to be at the case that all 112 CC's in California will line up with all CSU's and UC's.
Strawman? You didn't address what was in the article and then blamed the student.
 

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I'm guessing you didn't read the whole article?


"Korba thought she was taking the right classes at Columbia College, a community college in Sonora. She worked with a counselor and used an online catalog showing which courses were supposed to transfer to CSU schools.

But when officials at Bakersfield reviewed the transcript, they said most of her classes wouldn’t count toward her major.

University officials declined to comment on Korba’s case, but said a small number of transfer credits can fall into a “gray area” and require extra review."
I took all my biochem classes at the CC level and all my shyt transferred. :hubie:
 
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I'm guessing you didn't read the whole article?


"Korba thought she was taking the right classes at Columbia College, a community college in Sonora. She worked with a counselor and used an online catalog showing which courses were supposed to transfer to CSU schools.

But when officials at Bakersfield reviewed the transcript, they said most of her classes wouldn’t count toward her major.

University officials declined to comment on Korba’s case, but said a small number of transfer credits can fall into a “gray area” and require extra review."
It was obvious by all the nonsense he put in that one post that he didn't bother to read it
 

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While people at 4-year institutions do drop out, it is not at the same rate. This could be because students at 4-year institutions are selected based on their academic ability in high school, while community colleges accept students from a variety of backgrounds.

It's like giving a large loan to someone with bad credit and being disappointed when they default, versus giving a loan to someone with good credit who is more likely to pay it back without issue.

I don't think this is a very serious take on why students succeed in college.

There was a study showing that students from the lowest income bracket who graduate high school with an A average are less likely to graduate college than students from the highest income bracket who graduate high school with a C- average. That proves there is far more going on here beyond "academic ability in high school".

Our system puts so many roadblocks in the way for poor kids, black/brown kids, 1st generation college kids, etc. A lot of it has nothing to do with academic ability. Making it difficult for community college courses to transfer is one of those roadblocks.
 
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@Serious, a story that stuck with me from Gladwell's "Outliers".

Christopher Langan had one of the highest measured IQs in American history. He skipped multiple grades, got a perfect score on the SAT even while taking a nap partway through.. He taught himself advanced math, physics, philosophy, Latin, and Greek while in high school, spent most of his time in independent study cause he already knew everything in his classes. Didn't coast on his ability, literally studied all day every day because of his thirst for knowledge. Got a full ride to college. Got all A's for his first semester, but had trouble adjusting to college socially because he was from a poor rural family and grew up pretty isolated.

While he was going to university, his mother (who was poor as dirt) didn't send in the right financial info for the annual update on his financial aid package. His dad had already abandoned the family years earlier after a long pattern of abusive behavior. So Christopher lost his scholarship, solely due to his mother's paperwork lapse. He tried to go to the school counselor to get help, but they didn't help him. So he had to drop out of school before the year was over. Didn't even get credit for his second semester though he had already done most of the work and definitely would have aced the exams.

So he goes back home, and enrolls at the local state college, which is 13 miles from his house. He's working and going to school simultaneously, trying to make ends meet for his family. Halfway through the year, his car breaks down, and he doesn't have the money to repair it. He finds a neighbor who is willing to take him into town each day, but it's too late for his morning classes. So he asks his advisor if he can switch to the afternoon sections, due to this lack of transportation that makes it impossible to make the morning classes. His advisor denies it. He goes up to the dean. The dean looks at his transcript, sees he dropped out of his previous college, and tells him that he clearly hasn't learned his lesson and doesn't understand the sacrifices it takes if you want a college degree. Denies his appeal to transfer to afternoon classes. He is so upset that he's being forced basically to fail half his classes for the second time, through no fault of his own, and feels like the whole college is against him. Drops out of school and never goes back. Ends up working in manual labor for most of his life.

Literally one of the smartest people in the world, incredibly academically gifted, incredible work ethic, and he never even finished two years of college due to circumstances that don't have jack shyt to do with how good a student he was.





I'm pretty disillusioned with the idea that American education is some sort of meritocracy. Yeah, it works out for a lot of kids. But who it works out for has a lot more to do with the position you're born into than the position you put yourself into. Of course there are exceptions, but those are the outliers, not the norm.
 
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