Was King Tut Black or Arabic?

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I know it hurts that Africa is the birthplace for your kind and provided the building blocks for you :manny:

The only one hurt here is you. You can keep repeating the nonsense that ricochets around your well fortified echo chamber, but I'd rather chill over here in the real world.
 

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A "Sumerian legend" is not a valid source.

We've discussed those authors before and the fact remains that those guys are just putting forth theories based on wishful thinking.

If some advanced African empire was going around founding colonies all over the ancient world there would be records stating so. There are none.
lol, this is your main problem.
IF we had a time machine.. and went to ancient Sumer and they appeared to be of African decent and even said (as they did say all the time).. we are black, call us black heads....... YOU still would say it's not credible because a European didn't discover some new evidence about it.

There weren't secretaries of state and dna, and government records on some online database back then. These Are the Most Reliable sources. Period.

You HARDLY hear about Central and Southern Africans in ancien times speaking about how black they are because everyone was black around them. THE reason all these other ancient societies had to point out that they (arabs, levent, kushyte colonies, egypt, sumer, etc) were black is because they started to come across What was known as demons.... so of course the poems, Stories, legends, records, drawings showing complexions, etc.... were needed.
 

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I don't see what's so funny. I already said I don't believe they were white, but if you are going to narrow it down to just two choices, I'll indulge you. I'm sorry but those don't look like black people.

If you really think that Indus dude looks black I don't know what to tell you except that you on some shyt.
if i made statues of everyone in my family on my dads side- 1000 years from no you wouldn't say they were black you probably would say "I'm sorry but those don't look like black people. "
 

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The only one hurt here is you. You can keep repeating the nonsense that ricochets around your well fortified echo chamber, but I'd rather chill over here in the real world.

I've yet to see you to backup any of your assertions :sas2:


You're a mutt and your people needed Africans to civilize them :sas1:
 

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Actually the original Arabs were black. Historically they were considered the same people as the present-day East Africans living in Somalia, Ethiopia, and Sudan. In fact, there still black tribes living in Ethiopia and Somalia that claim to descend from Arabia. Look at these quotes from ancient sources. The original Arabs were always described as people with black skin and kinky hair. Just like the populations of present day East Africa. And it shouldn't really be surprising considering Arabia is but a stone's throw away from East Africa.


“…the predominant complexion of the Arabs is dark brownish black and that of the non-Arabs is white.” Ibn Mandour (14th Century)Lisaan al-Arab IV:209.

14th century Arab linguist and grammarian Ibn Mandhour spoke of in his text, Arab Lessons(or Lisaan al-Arab) noting that Arabs were distinguished by their brown-black skins and kinky hair, while fair skin and lank hair was characteristic of the Persians (Lisaan al-Arab ).

The Arabs used to take pride in their brown and black complexion (al-sumra wa al-sawād) and they had a distaste for a white and fair complexion (al-ḥumra wa al-shaqra), and they used to say that such was the complexion of the non-Arabs.” Ibn Abi al-Hadid 13th c. citing the 9th century Al-Mubarrad in Sharh nahj al-balaghah, V:56.

The early accounts with descriptions of the earliest Arabians, along with physical anthropological evidence show that until approximately 600 years ago peoples of mainly African-Asiatic affiliation dominated most of peninsular Arabia. Though today a good number of people of the Arabian peninsula resemble the majority of the people of the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine). In fact certain writers of Syrian and Andalusian origin such as Al-Umari and Ibn Khaldun of the 14th century considered Arabia part of the “Bilad es-Sudan” - or lands of “the Sudan” or black peoples. Ibn Khaldun in particular includes the regions of Arabia (Hijaz, and Central Arabia or Nejd) in his chapter on “the 2nd zone of Sudan”.[

As David Goldenberg writes, “This view of the Arab as dark-skinned is also found among other peoples, as is indicated by the term arap (i.e., Arab) meaning 'black African' in modern Turkish, Greek, and Russian, as well as in Yiddish” (Goldenberg, 2005, p. 124). And, this is the case because their peoples still have folk history of the original Arab invaders of their lands. The descriptions and depictions of the earliest Arabs or kara-Arapy (“black Arabs”) are not infrequent in their histories and folktales.

There is, for example, the texts of the Kurdish writer Ibn Athir (12th – 13th century) which speak of the Sulaym/Sulaim folk hero "Sa’d al-Aswad" as being literally black because he came from the “purest” Arabs. A Persian Jewish Targum to Song 1: 5 uses the phrase “black as the Kushytes who live in the tents of Kedar.” to describe peoples of north Arabia. (Goldenberg, p. 244) There are also numerous early indigenous paintings as found below.


Afro-Asiatica: An Odyssey in Black: January 2013

This is the link you gave me..just a bunch of photos of dark skinned Arabs, and you're calling these people black..if I went to the Middle East and i told them they were black they would be offended..I don't care if you posted some 19th century paintings of african men who's families a few generations back descended from Africa..that doesn't make them Arab..



Some men from the region of Tihamah




Bedouin from the Ammarin clan of the Banu Attiyeh, a large clan originally from Jordan, northwest Saudi Arabia and southern Palestine

Many of the bedouin of Palestine, Jordan and north Arabia in general retain their ancient Arab looks and customs. Such tribes, once known as the confederation of "Qidar" or "Kedar" spread between southern Mesopotamia and Central Arabia, often still dwell in their black tents made of goat skin.
 

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lol, this is your main problem.
IF we had a time machine.. and went to ancient Sumer and they appeared to be of African decent and even said (as they did say all the time).. we are black, call us black heads....... YOU still would say it's not credible because a European didn't discover some new evidence about it.

There weren't secretaries of state and dna, and government records on some online database back then. These Are the Most Reliable sources. Period.

You HARDLY hear about Central and Southern Africans in ancien times speaking about how black they are because everyone was black around them. THE reason all these other ancient societies had to point out that they (arabs, levent, kushyte colonies, egypt, sumer, etc) were black is because they started to come across What was known as demons.... so of course the poems, Stories, legends, records, drawings showing complexions, etc.... were needed.

Look if you are going to start bringing up time machines to help make your point, you already don't have a leg to stand on. Having dark skin is a trait shared by a significant portion of humanity. It is not the sole factor that defines a people and their identity.

Secondly, If you are going to support theories that say some mysterious African civilization went around not only Asia and the middle east, but also the americas, colonizing and erecting great civilizations, youre going to have to present some evidence. Humans created writing in order to keep records. Where are they?

If the records don't exist than at least submit that these are your personal opinions and cannot be deemed factual by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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Secondly, If you are going to support theories that say some mysterious African civilization went around not only Asia and the middle east, but also the americas

This idiot is contesting that Africans populated the Earth :laff::laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:
 

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When humans left Africa and populated the earth they were far from a civilization.

15 BC they spread everywhere

6000 White skin in the Caucasus

5000 Sumer in the Levant

* note that Egypt and Ethiopia had a huge presence in the Levant

2500 Indo-Europeans (Whites) in the Levant

keep dodging
 

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While I do agree the Sumerians would be very dark skinned and would be resemble blacks. I doubt they would be related to Africans based off some studies I read. They probably resembled modern day Dravidian's.
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Just my opinion. Also I doubt Sumeria was older than Ancient Egypt. There are many things that contradict that claim and many Historians are starting to agree again that Egypt was older.
 

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@Swagnificent you understand that the Arab slave trade has existed for like over a 1000 years..maybe more maybe less..but those paintings that you posted prob came from slave stock..maybe not..all I'm saying is that Arabs differentiated between blacks in the slave trade for a 1000 years..it wasn't like " oh lets go kidnap arabs" no..it was like "lets go take some black ass Africans"

If the Arabs were really black they would have Arab slaves and not black slaves..they saw a difference between the the two..
 
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