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Was God in Africa before Islam and Christianity?
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UncleTomFord15
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Why didn't Jesus or Allah interfere when black people were being enslaved 
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a book is a book, its words live because of its speakers
the actions done by the words in the book are still done by the person who takes action, unless you see a Quran stand up on its own and flap its pages at you I would be at peace with it.
From my perspective you have plenty of choices, you just have to consider them now that you read the words from the book you profess. So as I said to you before its where you live in the book that is important.
Bible Gateway passage: Jonah 4:11 - King James Version
And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?www.biblegateway.com
Hebrew Concordance: šō·wr -- 35 Occurrences
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Yahweh and Allah are but two of thousands of gods humans have created.
What a silly ass question.
Fair, enough.
I’m ok with Islam existing like any religion, but I guess I’m not at peace with Muslims. That’s why they probably always try to debate with me
I’m also not at peace with Lebron fans either
And for @Robbie3000
Is Allah really a distinct “name” of a specific God the same way Yahweh is?
Or is it just a literal translation of “God” in Arabic language?
Because Christian Arab speaking people say “Allah” in their prayers but they don’t believe in the Quran or consider Muhammad a prophet.
I have never got a clear answer to this question from any Muslim. Or any of the religion experts on this forum.
Maybe @Duke Wy Lin can clear it up
Duke Wy Lin
It's been a good run. Wish y'all the best ✊🏿
Why didn't Jesus or Allah interfere when black people were being enslaved
Can't blame God for the actions of humans. Humans use their free will to either cause harm or good. The premise of the Abrahamic faiths is that ultimate judgement is in the next life, not here. Which means that no action is insignificant. Hitler didn't just get away with murdering millions of ppl. Slave owners didn't just die in peace. However, we do sometimes get to witness justice in this world. There are countless examples of this.
the only reason you consider the name as significant is because of the switch that had to have happened many years ago (remember David named his son after Baal)Fair, enough.
I’m ok with Islam existing like any religion, but I guess I’m not at peace with Muslims. That’s why they probably always try to debate with me
I’m also not at peace with Lebron fans either
And for @Robbie3000
Is Allah really a distinct “name” of a specific God the same way Yahweh is?
Or is it just a literal translation of “God” in Arabic language?
Because Christian Arab speaking people say “Allah” in their prayers but they don’t believe in the Quran or consider Muhammad a prophet.
I have never got a clear answer to this question from any Muslim. Or any of the religion experts on this forum.
Maybe @Duke Wy Lin can clear it up
furthermore, the name "David" is peculiar
put a "shin" next to it and it means "dead"
and if you take the Waw out of David and put it next to him, it then becomes "the destroyer"
Duke Wy Lin
It's been a good run. Wish y'all the best ✊🏿
Fair, enough.
I’m ok with Islam existing like any religion, but I guess I’m not at peace with Muslims. That’s why they probably always try to debate with me
I’m also not at peace with Lebron fans either
And for @Robbie3000
Is Allah really a distinct “name” of a specific God the same way Yahweh is?
Or is it just a literal translation of “God” in Arabic language?
Because Christian Arab speaking people say “Allah” in their prayers but they don’t believe in the Quran or consider Muhammad a prophet.
I have never got a clear answer to this question from any Muslim. Or any of the religion experts on this forum.
Maybe @Duke Wy Lin can clear it up
Ilah = God. Allah = the name of God. It's a unique word in Arabic because it is genderless like God. All nouns in Arabic have a gender. So the sun (shams) is feminine, moon (qamar) is masculine etc. God is neither male nor female. Allah affirms God's Unity as distinct from all creation.
Arab speaking Jews also refer to God as Allah, not just Christian Arabs.
Some say it comes from the word Al-ilah = The God but I'm not sure how authentic that is.
You have to imagine if the continents were once connected the force it would take to disconnect them could have involved some serious earthquakes that caused Mass flooding
in an older thread i mentioned "hydroplate" theory and its fascinating but abit longwinded
it described the earth like a ball bearing and that the moons gravitational effect on the earth causes solid structures to form in the earth which could have broken due to shear forces over time
it was a 6 part video series that you can find on youtube if you like long watches. That said its just one theory, the earth may not be like a ball bearing at all
that said the forces the earth has experienced are definitely otherworldly the more youve traveled
Do Muslims refer to God as Yahweh also as Jews do?
Even so, how can Allah be the name of God and Yaweh also be the name of God?
I always thought God would have one name as to avoid confusion or the idea that there is multiple Gods under different names
If Jewish people knew God for thousands of years as YHWH or more recently “hashem” why would they change that name to Allah
regardless what language they speak Gods name doesn’t change
God doesn’t change right?
He wouldn’t tell his people a different name to call him by.... or would he? And for what reason.
What was Gods name before Muhammad revealed it as “Allah” according to Muslims.
Arab language didn’t exist before Hebrew.
But Arab language predates Muhammad and the Quran
If there were pagan Arab speaking people in Arabia with the named Abdullah before Muhammad was born this would have to be a reference to another God right?
then how do you distinguish between the pagan identity of “Allah” and the “Allah” Muslims would later know by name.
I’m confused
In Judaism for example there is no ambiguity as to what Gods name and identity is.
If the prophet Elijah name literally means “Yahweh is my God” there is no doubt what God he serves and the Name of this God
Historically the only people who followed and believed in that particular God use this name in their scriptures/culture and lifestyle.
If Elijah is in the Quran and also considered a prophet in ISLAM wouldn’t Muslims know God by this name only as all Jews AND Christians did before them?
What is the reason for the departure?
And Muslims don’t believe in Jesus as God so there is really no bridge or connection for them to the GOD of Judaism by faith without knowing YAHWEH or “the father”.
Muslims have faith in “Allah” same as any Arab speaking person who believes in ANY God might call their God by this name/title.
I get your explanation, but defining God based solely on a cultural understanding of arab linguistics or a figure of speech alone doesn’t mean much to an unbeliever and even less to a non Arabic speaker
That’s like me saying I believe in the “most high” or the “1 true God” to you.
Yea, ok good but what is the name of this GOD how do you know him personally?
So how can you convince me “ALLAH” is the same God as the older already established name “YAWEH” which was revealed to ISREAL
And IF this is true why aren’t you and all other Muslims still Jewish?
Duke Wy Lin
It's been a good run. Wish y'all the best ✊🏿
Allah is pre-islamic my guy. Nobody polemicized its meaning until very recently.
let's explore it some more together @DoubleClutch
I was reading on "Joktan" the brother of Peleg in light of my meditations on the tower of babel (remember peleg means divison).
Most people when they read the statement "baking bricks" do not understand that this was a means to ward of "lilith" even to this day, most people dont consider this with pottery (or what pottery making looks like spiritually).
His people apparently settled the area known as Hadhramaut
Hadhramaut - Wikipedia
Interesting that both the Romans and natives referred to watering holes/oases as "waters of death"
in either case, the reason it was interesting is this is the place where an epithet was apparently used in reference to Jesus. At the time of the founding of this area they still worshipped Nanna-Sin
Rahmanan - Wikipedia
As I said earlier, you complain about names but it's quite possible the peace we experience today was won on your behalf by forces you don't perceive.
I think that’s my point
Was Jesus a prophet of Yaweh or Allah according to Islam?
Is Jesus ALLAH according to Christians or is he Ilah.
Sounds to me like the meaning of ALLAH depends who is saying it and in what context.
Yaweh means the same to everyone. No confusion.
Allah only means God by specific name to Muslims or followers of Muhammad and this started at a certain point in history after Muhammad likely introduced this idea
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That may be true for ʾAshk'nazzim, Y'rushalmiyim and Moroccan S'faraddim, whose scrolls are traditionally adorned with soft mantles (as seen below); but other groups of Jews (e.g., B'nei ʿEdah Miz'rahit and Teimanim) keep their scrolls fastened inside wooden 'boxes'.
That's an ʾAshk'nazzi scroll, indicated by its embroidered velvet mantle; scrolls of the S'faraddim, ʿEdot Miz'rahiyyot and Teimanim are fixed to a [customarily metal-plated] wooden 'box'. But scrolls are not limited to the five Torah books. We also have scrolls of the other 19 books of our Bible—i.e., the eight N'viʾım and eleven K'tuvım, which most Jewish prayer-halls (at least in ʾErretz Yissraʾel) do own.
All public Scripture readings (read aloud from in the ceremonial manner every Monday, Thursday and Shabbat morning and also every Shabbat afternoon—as well as on other Jewish feast days and days of fasting) are normally done from scrolls. The bottom of any ʾaron hakodesh ('chest of sanctity', which houses the scrolls) has slots at the bottom for the eight N'viʾım and five M'gillot for prayer services.
I personally own scrolls of all eight N'viʾım (Y'hoshuʿa, Shof'ṭim, Sh'muʾel, M'lachım, Y'shaʿyahu, Yirm'yahu, Y'hezkeʾl and T'ré ʿAsar), as well as all five M'gillot (Shir Hashirım, Rut, ʾEichah, Kohelet and ʾEster). Some ʿEdot Miz'rahiyyot ('Eastern Communities') prayer-halls have scrolls of the other six K'tuvım books, but I've never heard of those ever being used for public ceremonial Scripture readings.
Don't you mean הַתֵּבָ֔ה (punctuated only with ṭaʿam זָקֵף־קָטָ֔ן zakef-kaṭan, the 'colon' mark above the letter ב beit)?
And don't forget that the initial הַ־ ha- in תֵּבָה tevah is just the definite article prefix, so it actually means 'the tevah'.
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