Was God in Africa before Islam and Christianity?

[MMS]

Damn that adds context to the older folks who always told me to not take the Bible so literal .. answers could be right in our face the whole time

in english Genesis 1s rich context doesnt completely make sense as it does in hebrew

that said the more crazy thing ive read is that Deuteronomy is older than Genesis (because of the Persian/Babylonian captivity)

i linked the video about it here:

We are living in a world of illusion

Context (see post 150) How you know post numbers by heart :banderas:

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but the jist was that during captivity many texts were destroyed so they had to recreate texts as context for what the Persians/Assyrians etc would allow

this is why the "king of assyria" is almost inescapable because of Genesis 2 (read in hebrew and consider the rivers that flow out of Eden)

 

[livindajetlife]

in english Genesis 1s rich context doesnt completely make sense as it does in hebrew

that said the more crazy thing ive read is that Deuteronomy is older than Genesis (because of the Persian/Babylonian captivity)

i linked the video about it here:

We are living in a world of illusion

Context (see post 150) How you know post numbers by heart :banderas:

www.thecoli.com

but the jist was that during captivity many texts were destroyed so they had to recreate texts as context for what the Persians/Assyrians etc would allow

this is why the "king of assyria" is almost inescapable because of Genesis 2 (read in hebrew and consider the rivers that flow out of Eden)

See man it’s so many delusions and things that happened to make sense of all of this .. it’s exhausting

 

[MMS]

See man it’s so many delusions and things that happened to make sense of all of this .. it’s exhausting

yeah but you know, its easy to go out side take a deep breath and say "lord have mercy"

Gospel Reading - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

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[DoubleClutch]

why do you assume that when Egypt had multiple cults?

I’m just speaking on 1 God in particular. I remember reading about an ancient idol/God from Egypt that was also found to be worshiped in Yemen among the oldest Arabs in the region which predated Islam. It was some type of moon God I think

Yemeni people originally are Africans in my opinion so it’s not far fetched Gods from Africa made its way to “Arabia” and influenced Islam

 

[MMS]

I’m just speaking on 1 God in particular. I remember reading about an ancient idol/God from Egypt that was also found to be worshiped in Yemen among the oldest Arabs in the region which predated Islam. It was some type of moon God I think

Yemeni people originally are Africans in my opinion so it’s not far fetched Gods from Africa made its way to “Arabia” and influenced Islam

I think you should study Abraham and Ishmael

Everything is there, if you’re willing to meditate and silence yourself while you do so. Understanding will put you at peace with Muslims.

A better question is this: would you rather deal with pagan Arabs or Muslims?

With India in context

Jahangir - Wikipedia

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[DoubleClutch]

I think you should study Abraham and Ishmael

Everything is there, if you’re willing to meditate and silence yourself while you do so. Understanding will put you at peace with Muslims.

A better question is this: would you rather deal with pagan Arabs or Muslims?

With India in context

Jahangir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pagan “Arabs” were already becoming Christian/Jews before Islam

Muslims “Arabs” came into power and enslaved black Africans so

At the end of the day Islam serves its purpose so I’m at peace with the existence of Islam.

Do I really have any other choice?

But ask yourself are Muslims at peace with Judaism & Christianity

 

[3rdWorld]

So without Africa, who are the European God's they worshipped?

 

[HTXBreh]

Ifa predates all that and look up the story of ogun and his son that came to earth and taught people

 

[Budda]

What about EGYPTIANS GODS

But that was likely the same GOD as in Islam but under a different name/identity

Same God in Christianity too

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

Pagan “Arabs” were already becoming Christian/Jews before Islam

Muslims “Arabs” came into power and enslaved black Africans so

At the end of the day Islam serves its purpose so I’m at peace with the existence of Islam.

Do I really have any other choice?

But ask yourself are Muslims at peace with Judaism & Christianity

Ironic of you to say that since historically, Judaism/Jews have been far more at peace with Islam/Muslims than they have with Christians/Christianity. The hate between us nowadays is mostly due to politics.

We protected them from Christian persecution. This article by a Jewish professor summarizes our common history:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597?reloadTime=1672531200011

It makes sense since y'all believe Jews killed your God.

Jews regard Muslims as monotheists and are allowed to pray inside our mosques because they believe that we worship the same God (which we do, Arab speaking Jews even refer to their God as Allah), yet they regard Christians as polytheists and according to most of their scholars they can never offer prayers inside a church:







Jews thrived in Muslim lands and produced some of their most important works of scholarship under Muslim influence in Andalusia, Baghdad, Egypt, Morocco etc. Moshe Ben Maimon (or Maimonides), arguably the greatest Jewish scholars in the last millennium, was influenced by Muslims.

The Influence of Islamic Thought on Maimonides (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

plato.stanford.edu

The Trinity is polytheistic in nature and is a massive departure from what Abrahamic faiths are supposed to be about: pure unadulterated monotheism. The Jews and Muslims agree on this, which makes y'all the anomaly.

Our disagreement with Jews is based on their rejection of Jesus pbuh as a prophet and their slander of him and his blessed mother Mary pbuh. And their rejection of Muhammad pbuh for no other reason than him being Ishmaelite rather than from the lineage of Isaac. They're basically ethno-chauvinist and do not accept that God would bestow His favor upon a non-Jew.

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

I mean, I thought this was common knowledge

The God we worship is who Christians would refer to as "the Father". Exclusively. With no partners. It's ironic that Christians would accuse Muslims of being polytheistic. Very bizarre.

Jews get it though because they are also monotheistic.

 

[Robbie3000]

Yahweh and Allah are but two of thousands of gods humans have created.

What a silly ass question.

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

Humans didn't "invent" God. That's a silly cac innovation which is based on naturalism as an assumption. Monotheism is as old a humanity itself.

It's literally the simplest, most basic idea. One God.

Simple ideas come before complex ideas by necessity. This means that even religions that are polytheistic today would have started out as monotheistic.

Polytheists basically take God's many attributes and make them into deities of their own.

So instead of God being "the One Who Provides" AND "The One Who Guides", they worship a God of Guidance and a God of Provision as separate deities from God.

By the way, Monotheistic non-Abrahamic religions still do exist in Africa. Look up Waaqism (practiced by some tribes in the horn of Africa). There are some others as well but I don't remember them.

 

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There are some others as well but I don't remember them.

Togo and animism.

Togo - Religion

www.globalsecurity.org

Religion in Togo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Traditional African religions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MMS]

Pagan “Arabs” were already becoming Christian/Jews before Islam

Muslims “Arabs” came into power and enslaved black Africans so

At the end of the day Islam serves its purpose so I’m at peace with the existence of Islam.

Do I really have any other choice?

But ask yourself are Muslims at peace with Judaism & Christianity

remember

a book is a book, its words live because of its speakers

the actions done by the words in the book are still done by the person who takes action, unless you see a Quran stand up on its own and flap its pages at you I would be at peace with it.

From my perspective you have plenty of choices, you just have to consider them now that you read the words from the book you profess. So as I said to you before its where you live in the book that is important.

Bible Gateway passage: Jonah 4:11 - King James Version

And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

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Hebrew Concordance: šō·wr -- 35 Occurrences

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