Was CNN's War Report really that BIG when it Dropped?

[bigbadbossup2012]

You seem to have a beef with east coast music.

You also seem to treat sales as the only thing that can seem classics

Both are dumb notions. And I believe me and you had this argument before on the same shyt


I don't care about sales. When most people speak of classic music, they don't care about sales either. They care about THE MUSIC.

There is nobody in their right mind that would say OBFCL is a flop. Nobody. They didn't expect it to do 4 million. It was put out on loud, which is not one of the 4 majors. It was Raekwon. Not a pretty boy with dance tracks and classic samples of already hits. It was for the streets. And to this day, you won't find a rapper alive to say it wasn't a classic or great music. Therefore it is a classic. Classic what? Classic music

CNN was no different. It was released on penalty. Not a major. It had ZERO radio singles. No dance shyt. No hit record samples. No song for the club. Or for the bytches. No famous r&b artist on the hook. No famous rappers on the features. Just banger after banger of great music.

Still it went #4 on the r&b charts and #3 on the rap charts and #21 in the entire country. From 2 completely unknown artists, one who was in jail.

They were not expecting to sell 1 million or 500k. They exceeded expectations as nore and others have said. That's why he got a solo deal. That's why Rae got 3-4 albums to drop after the first. Cause everyone isn't expected to do snoop numbers and puffy numbers. Everyone isn't given that budget, so they don't have to worry about selling that much to earn it back. Everyone isn't even pressing up 1 million copies to even go plat.

A flop is perspective. If jay comes out and does 1 million, it'd be a flop. Cause he's expected to go multi every time at this point. If joe budden does 150k first week it's fukking amazing cause his last 8 shyts did like 50.

So forget that we all been saying it was an east coast classic for 2 days. I don't know why you keep arguing what we agree on. But no. All albums are NOT treated the same. They don't all get the same budget, rollout, the star is different, publicity campaign is different. No they don't get measured the same


A nikka with a 100k album budget on his first album should not be getting judged on the same scale as Kanye west on his 8th

CNN on a debut on penalty records with no radio singles should not be compared with snoop Dogg on death row with dr dre and hit samples. Raekwon with ice cream on loud should not be compared to method man with his own single on 36 chambers and another single with Mary j blidge on def jam.

so basically it's a classic cause u said so despite none of the singles or album meaning anything in real time. Ok if u say so

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You seem to have a beef with east coast music.

You also seem to treat sales as the only thing that can seem classics

Both are dumb notions. And I believe me and you had this argument before on the same shyt


I don't care about sales. When most people speak of classic music, they don't care about sales either. They care about THE MUSIC.

There is nobody in their right mind that would say OBFCL is a flop. Nobody. They didn't expect it to do 4 million. It was put out on loud, which is not one of the 4 majors. It was Raekwon. Not a pretty boy with dance tracks and classic samples of already hits. It was for the streets. And to this day, you won't find a rapper alive to say it wasn't a classic or great music. Therefore it is a classic. Classic what? Classic music

CNN was no different. It was released on penalty. Not a major. It had ZERO radio singles. No dance shyt. No hit record samples. No song for the club. Or for the bytches. No famous r&b artist on the hook. No famous rappers on the features. Just banger after banger of great music.

Still it went #4 on the r&b charts and #3 on the rap charts and #21 in the entire country. From 2 completely unknown artists, one who was in jail.

They were not expecting to sell 1 million or 500k. They exceeded expectations as nore and others have said. That's why he got a solo deal. That's why Rae got 3-4 albums to drop after the first. Cause everyone isn't expected to do snoop numbers and puffy numbers. Everyone isn't given that budget, so they don't have to worry about selling that much to earn it back. Everyone isn't even pressing up 1 million copies to even go plat.

A flop is perspective. If jay comes out and does 1 million, it'd be a flop. Cause he's expected to go multi every time at this point. If joe budden does 150k first week it's fukking amazing cause his last 8 shyts did like 50.



So forget that we all been saying it was an east coast classic for 2 days. I don't know why you keep arguing what we agree on. But no. All albums are NOT treated the same. They don't all get the same budget, rollout, the star is different, publicity campaign is different. No they don't get measured the same


A nikka with a 100k album budget on his first album should not be getting judged on the same scale as Kanye west on his 8th

CNN on a debut on penalty records with no radio singles should not be compared with snoop Dogg on death row with dr dre and hit samples. Raekwon with ice cream on loud should not be compared to method man with his own single on 36 chambers and another single with Mary j blidge on def jam.

After a career as an independent marketing professional,[3] Neil Levine founded Penalty Recordings, launching it in 1995 as a joint venture between himself and Tom Silverman.[1]Silverman was the founder and original owner of Tommy Boy, a division ofWarner Bros. Records which served as Penalty's distributor. In 1996, Silverman re-purchased half of the interest in Tommy Boy, which continued as Penalty's distributor.

Loud Records

Parent company Universal Music Group
Founded 1991
Founder Steve Rifkind
Rich Isaacson
Status Active
Distributor(s) Zoo Entertainment (1991-1992)
RCA (1992-1999)

 

[Oran "Juice" Jones]

No, it wasn't. It was rightfully overshadowed by other albums that came out that year.

I personally don't regard it as a classic (although it has some classic tracks like "Live on Live Long)

Now The Reuinion was a classic through and through.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

so basically it's a classic cause u said so despite none of the singles or album meaning anything in real time. Ok if u say so

nikka is that what I said? Nah it's not

I said classic is a classic because of the MUSIC. Sales have shyt to do with classic or not.

Is the music excellent? Is it timeless? Is 36 chambers not a fukking classic? Yes. Did it do big numbers? No.

You know what outkast first album did? 20th in the country and 2 r&b. But it's a classic right? But war report does 21 and 3 and it's not a classic? Just because people went back and bought outkast after they blew, suddenly it's a classic now?

Ready to die... 15 and 3 on the charts. 2pacalypse 64 and 13. Strictly for my nikkaz. 24 and 4. Mr scarface 51 and 13.

Let's not even dip into classic rock and roll, soul music and country music. The greatest MUSIC is not always the highest selling. This goes for movies, plays, books. Whatever

Content>>>>>>>>>>>>appeal to the masses

After a career as an independent marketing professional,[3] Neil Levine founded Penalty Recordings, launching it in 1995 as a joint venture between himself and Tom Silverman.[1]Silverman was the founder and original owner of Tommy Boy, a division ofWarner Bros. Records which served as Penalty's distributor. In 1996, Silverman re-purchased half of the interest in Tommy Boy, which continued as Penalty's distributor.

Loud Records

Parent company Universal Music Group
Founded 1991
Founder Steve Rifkind
Rich Isaacson
Status Active
Distributor(s) Zoo Entertainment (1991-1992)
RCA (1992-1999)

Thanks for proving my point dumb dumb


So is cash money a major cause it's parent company is universal?

Is aftermath a major cause it's parent company is interscope?

Is bad boy a major? Is TDE a major? Was death row a major?

Every single label ends up in the hands of a major at the end of the day. That doesn't make them a major label. You pulling shyt out your ass now bruh

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

No, it wasn't. It was rightfully overshadowed by other albums that came out that year.

I personally don't regard it as a classic (although it has some classic tracks like "Live on Live Long)

Now The Reuinion was a classic through and through.

It's crazy but I do find that the reunion was their best album. Nore bumps up his raps when he's with Capone. And when Capone came home, he's was spitting some shyt!! These nikkas got one of the best beat selections in the game when they together

Maybe pone is the brains of the operation or something. But both CNN albums are Nore at his best

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikka is that what I said? Nah it's not

I said classic is a classic because of the MUSIC. Sales have shyt to do with classic or not.

Is the music excellent? Is it timeless? Is 36 chambers not a fukking classic? Yes. Did it do big numbers? No.

You know what outkast first album did? 20th in the country and 2 r&b. But it's a classic right? But war report does 21 and 3 and it's not a classic? Just because people went back and bought outkast after they blew, suddenly it's a classic now?

Ready to die... 15 and 3 on the charts. 2pacalypse 64 and 13. Strictly for my nikkaz. 24 and 4. Mr scarface 51 and 13.

Let's not even dip into classic rock and roll, soul music and country music. The greatest MUSIC is not always the highest selling. This goes for movies, plays, books. Whatever

Content>>>>>>>>>>>>appeal to the masses



Thanks for proving my point dumb dumb


So is cash money a major cause it's parent company is universal?

Is aftermath a major cause it's parent company is interscope?

Is bad boy a major? Is TDE a major? Was death row a major?

Every single label ends up in the hands of a major at the end of the day. That doesn't make them a major label. You pulling shyt out your ass now bruh

You don't have to be signed directly, to be on the majors clown. It's nikkas out there that weren't on a major at all

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

You don't have to be signed directly, to be on the majors clown. It's nikkas out there that weren't on a major at all

Who? Who was on a label, that at the end of the road, a major wasn't involved

Give us names that ain't some off brand obscure shyt that nobody heard of.

Even tech 9, mr. doing it indy, had universal at the end of his road. That does not make him on a major label. Penalty and Loud were not major labels

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Who? Who was on a label, that at the end of the road, a major wasn't involved

Give us names that ain't some off brand obscure shyt that nobody heard of.

Even tech 9, mr. doing it indy, had universal at the end of his road. That does not make him on a major label. Penalty and Loud were not major labels

Eight ball mjg COMIN OUT HARD
Brotha lynch SEASON OF DA SICCNESS.
B.G. CHOPPER CITY,TRUE STORY, IT'S ALL ON YOU VOLUME 1-2.
Big timers how you luv that volume 1
Juvenile solja rags.
All the cash money unlv albums.
400 degrees before rerelease with ha remixes.

Luke records 86-90 first three albums till they made a deal with Atlantic in 1990

 

[TheIsleofMan]

It's so weird seeing this site try to disrespect the east so often. Especially when you learn where posters are from. Anyway, I remember TONY being pretty big in N.Y. I remember going to the wiz on 96th street and picking up the single, used to play it all the time. Can't call how big it was in other regions but as a kid, that song was dope

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Eight ball mjg COMIN OUT HARD
Brotha lynch SEASON OF DA SICCNESS.
B.G. CHOPPER CITY,TRUE STORY, IT'S ALL ON YOU VOLUME 1-2.
Big timers how you luv that volume 1
Juvenile solja rags.
All the cash money unlv albums.
400 degrees before rerelease with ha remixes.

Luke records 86-90 first three albums till they made a deal with Atlantic in 1990

And would you say since they didn't sell shyt (except Luke), none of those can be classics?

I just want to confirm that no sales equal no classic to you

 

[keon]

It wasnt big, but a certain circle of people in my area was familar with it

Its My favorite east coast album of all-time too btw

 

[nieman]

Some of the statements here are ridiculous. Well, I guess we know who was really into rap back then and who only knew the radio joints, as the tide was changing.

The War Report was a major album in the streets (East), summer of '97. People were checking for it because of the tracks on Clue tapes. Of course, this is before Clue switched to all singles and had mostly album cuts and unreleased joints. They were on Penalty. Their label was CNN, Skull Duggery, Crooked Lettaz (which was David Banner & Kamikaze) and I can't remember the 4th artist from the ads. I'll have to pull out my Source mags from then. But them summer of '97 was Wu, CNN, people were still playing Life After Death and that was pretty much it. BCC wasn't being played, No Way Out was radio but not really on the streets. Killarmy & Ghetto Millionaire ended the summer. But I guess most of you didn't know about those albums either.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

He's a wack rapper but he had a few hits at the right time. That's why he got away with it.

Nore's whole thing is weird man...on one hand he was never a great rapper...on the other hand he made a lot of stuff I've loved through the years

Sometimes
His verse on "I'm Leaving" (Hot 97 used to play it to death
His hook on "Iced Out Medallions"
The War Report
The Reunion
Blood Money Pt 3
N.O.R.E
Esta Loca

It's like this..."Banned From TV" was notable for everything but Nore and in weird way I still give him credit since it's his song lol

 

[L. Deezy]

Im not a big fan of the album.. I think its an album that just rode the wave of the QB era. It has some good songs tho. (T.O.N.Y is my shyt) Its not touching NORE's solo album at all.

 

[Nintendough]

CNN had the streets on lock. It was a hood event when that shyt dropped