Was Alonso Harris really a villain?
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That is true, but if Jake needs to break a few rules to do good by the law, he would do that because of the lessons he learned from Alonzo. Alonzo, however, didn't care about the law, he used it for his advantage. He's no different from a guy blackmailing a person for money/service and ratting them out if they dont comply. Being a good cop can still pay, the results show after Jake saved the Mexican girl from being raped by those junkies.
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This shouldnt be up for debate
Batman is a horrible example because hes probably the most unrealistic hero of all time but thats for another topic. Better example is the Punisher, that's who I compare Alonso too. You could say Alonso did what he have to do to make the city better since he had an impressive arrest record he spouted off during the beginning. The entire day was trying to get the money to pay off the Russians. We dont know what type of man he was before that day. We know bits and pieces of his character before though. He has respect among the Wise Men, his fellow cohorts/superiors.
Alonso got shot up because he didn't skip town and thought he could do it all himself. His ego got to him in the end. The Wise Man told him to skip town but he didnt. Power corrupts. All your favorite CEO's, Presidents like Obama, etc all are corrupt.
No because once again, the punisher has a code and also does it for the greater good. You keep making your point worse by comparing Alonzo to people who work toward the greater good. The punisher has lines. He has a code and a stance. And he wants to help others not himself. shyt if anything, frank castle is the last person frank castle wants to help. His means aren’t always straight edge obviously, but frank castle is altruistic as fukk. That’s the the thing that separates an antihero from a villain: results and intent. Alonzos results and intent are all about Alonzo
And Alonso didn't do anything for the greater good like getting rid of the Kingpin Roger and other big fish he bragged about?
He did it for himself under the auspices of the greater good. That is a villain. That’s exactly some shyt Kevin spacey in seven would do or say. But again he did it for himself. This is the point you’re missing. When you do these things for yourself. Purely for yourself, cause that’s exactly what, who, and why Alonzo did it for, then you’re the bad guy
i always wondered what that was about, and this was my best guess: it tied into what denzel said "roger sold dope to kids". roger making it his business to know high school sports stars, getting them into drugs or some shyt like that.
never got the vibe he was a former cop at all
Dude's gambling addiction was so bad, he killed the guy he lost his money to.
Alonzo was trouble from the jump.
zayk35
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Man I hope this is true...with that new aging technology thing they could even do it with Denzel. Or his son. But I would love to know more of Alonzo's backstory.‘Training Day’ Prequel In Development At Warner Bros. – Deadline
This article is very recent so I hope it’s still in the works
It's very on brand post 2016 to debate things like that, interesting conversation though. Obviously, he's written as an antagonist, and the entire movie's direction, script, acting, is meant to convey this, But, like a lot of great characters, he is able to sell the viewer, us, his humanity, the same way he sold Jake, but it was all an illusion.
That's the movie's brilliance, that really leaves you spinning when you leave it, like I did, back in 2001. Even as a kid, I understood, the movie's true heart is the tension of Alonzo's true motive, and character, by the time he has the gangsters get the bathroom ready, there isn't much left to doubt. He sells Jake, (sort of) and the audience, in the scene after Roger's murder, that it's all for the greater good, in this self serving, self righteous sermon, when moments before, I know I missed it the first time, he is laughing and telling someone to clean the blood up after a murder. It's all an act.
That's the movie's brilliance, that really leaves you spinning when you leave it, like I did, back in 2001. Even as a kid, I understood, the movie's true heart is the tension of Alonzo's true motive, and character, by the time he has the gangsters get the bathroom ready, there isn't much left to doubt. He sells Jake, (sort of) and the audience, in the scene after Roger's murder, that it's all for the greater good, in this self serving, self righteous sermon, when moments before, I know I missed it the first time, he is laughing and telling someone to clean the blood up after a murder. It's all an act.
Recca Gatsby
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Alonzo was OBVIOUSLY the villain of the movie come on breh