Vladimir Putin admits to 360,000 “irretrievable” losses in Ukraine. (50,000-100,000 confirmed dead according to new report)

[42 Monks]

If the war ended now. And Russia held the 16% of land it has now. This war will be seen as ukraine mounting a successful defense against a larger adversary in the history books. It will be seen as a Russia failure for the amount of losses and minimal gains. Not to mention they didn’t achieve any of their strategic goals.

anybody with sense can look on at ukraine and say they deserve all the acknowledgement in the world for fighting beyond what anyone expected. that's clear.

however as plainly as anyone can state it - if they've lost ground, its still lost ground. forces do great things and don't have a perfect victory literally throughout history. saying otherwise doesn't diminish what they're doing or make the road ahead somewhat easier or harder.

like i know im not tripping for acknowledging a staggering human cost for the folks defending their land. so like.... if yal so used to arguing with weirdos that anyone else looks like one for stating as much, then cool

 

[Savvir]

however as plainly as anyone can state it - if they've lost ground, its still lost ground. forces do great things and don't have a perfect victory literally throughout history. saying otherwise doesn't diminish what they're doing or make the road ahead somewhat easier or harder.

Looks like we already agree then…

 

[42 Monks]

Looks like we already agree then…

yal spent too much time talking with folks that belong on an ignore list and it shows lol

 

[Mister Terrific]

Crazy part is that if the US was performing the same as Russia in the invasion of a country nobody would think the US is winning and the country is losing.

Yep. Imagine if we lost 20,000 soldiers and spent a year trying to take a town the size of North Platte, Nebraska. Imagine if 20% of our fleet was sunk and couldn’t operate in its territorial waters. Imagine if we were forced to buy weapons from North Korea.

 

[Savvir]

yal spent too much time talking with folks that belong on an ignore list and it shows lol

Nah. You were relying on semantics and purposeful misinterpretations to keep going back and forth. Nothing I said should have been argued with… yet you found ways to nitpick without actually pushing a coherent point.

Example:

When I say less than 30%. Instead of looking up the actual number… or even continuing with LESS than 30%…. You start off with “well 30% is a substantial amount”…. nikka… 30% is not less than 30%.

shyt like that isn’t a mistake.

 

[42 Monks]

Nah. You were rely on semantics and purposeful misinterpretations to keep going back and forth. Nothing I said should have been argued with… yet you found ways to nitpick without actually pushing a coherent point.

how in the world is "they are still occupied" semantics

 

[Savvir]

how in the world is "they are still occupied" semantics

Who argued that they aren’t occupied



lol. You won’t even address my example… just decide to bring up a whole other point huh

 

[42 Monks]

Who argued that they aren’t occupied

if you are occupied, how are you winning



got it. yal want to argue with bots i'll see myself out

 

[Savvir]

if you are occupied, how are you winning



got it. yal want to argue with bots i'll see myself out

It’s possible to be occupied and still winning a war. Do you need examples?

 

[Wiseborn]

im literally using his definition of "30%" clearly

and again, i don't get the point of saying that they're winning while they are objectively occupied. you can fight exceptionally well and shatter expectations, and still not be where you want to be eventually. that's not hate or skew or bias. that's reality. this is a fight for their borders and those borders aren't back yet.

Exactly shyt is like WW1 Germany was still in France when they surrended that's what started the "stab in the back"myth.

What Victory means for Zelensky is every inch of Ukraine liberated and some kind of guarantee that Russia will never invade again and war reparations.

If they reoccupy Donestk and the other place but not Crimea I think both sides could declare victory and be done it it. but trying to get Putin out of there and have a broke Russia pay war reparations is pie in the sky thinking

and having the US pay for both Ukraine's rebuild and a Russia without Putin or allowing it to get another crazier guy in their with his finger on the button???

China would like Russia to be an additional counterweight to the US and Russia to be the main enemy of the US with China throwing rocks and hiding their hands.

 

[Wiseborn]

not a single person who knows about war said Ukraine will take back all land.

It will end like the Korean war....Just like the soviets were too weak to take all of Korea, Russia is too weak to take all of Ukraine, these are just facts.
Bigger armies take land in every war. Russia taking land is not news....can they take the capital? Hell no.

I don't know why Ukraine would even want the Russian speaking parts back anyway. they're a built in Fifth Column who have taken up arms against ukarine twice.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Notice we don’t have the same wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Coli Arabs as we do for Palestine. Apparently ethnically cleansing Mariinka and Bahkmut of all life and bombing maternity hospitals is ok if you oppose the U.S.

 

[HabitualChiller]

The Iraqi war and every scrap in the ME is way more justifiable than this Russia-Ukraine shyt.

Don't throw rocks and try to hide your hands and don't be a bully and the big boy countries won't have to put you in timeout.


If Saddam was focused on being a leader for his people and not a rapist genocidal piece of terrorist garbage he would be alive and not a pack.

Oh well though.

We went after Saddam because he would've controlled waaaaayyy too much of the world's oil supply with Kuwait annexed (25%, IIRC).

 

[Wiseborn]

Notice we don’t have the same wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Coli Arabs as we do for Palestine. Apparently ethnically cleansing Mariinka and Bahkmut of all life and bombing maternity hospitals is ok if you oppose the U.S.

Just the fact that every 5 minutes they talk about The Ukes are gaining ground in the Bakmut area kinda negates your whole Ukraine is winning argument because both sides fought for months over that insigificant space and the Uke's lost it and still didn't get it back.

Them blowing up a ship or hitting the main naval base is cool and absolutely neccesary for them to mke money and stabilize world grain prices but what they really care about is occupying their own land throwing a few missiles and drones at a Crimean Naval base is way different than reoccupiying it Frankly there not even in position to start an attack on Crimea.

 

[Mister Terrific]