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Violence Against Black Women
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it is a step if not the first...
The clinics aren't for abusive men. They're for people to understand proper behavior that wasn't instilled in them as children, you dolt.I'm actually surprised that even after that post you can't figure out I'm not talking about the victims
Look idiot. ..... I'm speaking on girls who are yet to be in the situation, not the victims.
Some young women don't know to always say something If someone touches them.
Others see aggressive behavior as norm so when adults they accept it multiple times in relationships.
Some just don't know what situations not to place themselves in....... for example me N my boys would get girls to come chill with us after the club and even ride in the range. They ALL could have been gangraped and the ALL wouldn't be my daughter because only a woman who nobody trained as a girl would be alone w men....
The tough fight is against the sexual pre.. and abusive men, because the justice system does a poor job plus
Only a damN idiot would think setting up clinics for abusive men is a solution
feelosofer
#ninergang
I think the first step in stopping violence against women is to re-assess what defines manhood amongst the men. Especially in the more impoverished among us, there is a culture of being a 'real man' that both men and women ascribe to. A real man is one that doesn't take crap from anyone including a woman and that sometimes we do what we must to keep 'them in line'. This is a dangerous way of thinking because these things have a tendency to escalate. There is now multiple generations of men now whose father figure consists of rappers and athletes and single mothers who while they do the best that they can often resort to belittling and beating young boys in order to keep them in line, and that type of conflict resolution stays with a person. Also when it comes to sexual abuse, a lot of it is done by family members (dads, cousins, aunts) or by the boyfriends of a lot of these single mothers, I can't count how many young girls and boys have come to my wife admitting those types of problems. She said one girl was raped by her uncle and cousin in one summer, which leads to my other point is that we need to break the cycle of silence. Women if you are abused there needs to noise made about it and steps taken (which I know is easier said than done) and it is our responsibility as Black men to reassess our relationships with one another and not allow abusers and predators to go unpunished and I'm not just talking physically but legally as well. We also need to create more shelters for abused Black women so that they have somewhere safe to go either short term or long-term, and in these places we need to have therapy and psychological counseling to help deal with these wounds. It's quite a grim picture we paint where Black women cannot feel completely safe even in our arms but we need to start cleaning our house from the inside and work our way outwards. We can no longer continue to use slavery and systematic racism as an excuse we need to put out heads down and work towards tangible solutions.
True indeed, and also the main problem is that Misogyny breeds a mentality of viewing women as weak, which produces animalistic behaviors , which plays out in violence. In our community, brothers think making their women doormats is somehow manly,when we never had this type of mentality and behavior before colonization here in Amerikkka.
Elle Driver
Veteran
Nah its pretty rampant in different societies.
Alan Emerald
Pro
Props to the OP for shedding light on the stats after reading thru the insightful post ot seems many have very good ideas. To me it also seems that these solutions must work in conjunction in order to have the desired effects. The issue of DV in black communities (and specifically towards black woman) is not one with a single defining source. I do agree that awareness is the first step as i feel the first step to human change is realizing something is or being done wrong in the first place. With awareness comes discussion and solutions. But in these discussions we must be completely honest even when it is uncomfortable.
In being honest i believe we find that things must be done on many levels. DV doesn't happen only because of a rapper's influence. It is not always due to men having a hatred (suppressed or not) toward women. It's not always solely because of a feeling of ownership towards a woman. The solutions are just as diverse as the situations and will need to be applied for each case.
clinical helps is needed for some, street justice (if u will) may be needed for prevention, it is not victim blaming but women and girls have just as much of a role as men and boys. The girls must be taught at an early age to love themselves and think highly of themselves. Men close enough to them must show them an example of what is and is not acceptable. Boys must be allowed to deal with their feelings (rejection, hurt, anger, disappointment etc.) They must be taught their value as well. Both must be taught their importance and role in relation to the opposite sex.
In being honest i believe we find that things must be done on many levels. DV doesn't happen only because of a rapper's influence. It is not always due to men having a hatred (suppressed or not) toward women. It's not always solely because of a feeling of ownership towards a woman. The solutions are just as diverse as the situations and will need to be applied for each case.
clinical helps is needed for some, street justice (if u will) may be needed for prevention, it is not victim blaming but women and girls have just as much of a role as men and boys. The girls must be taught at an early age to love themselves and think highly of themselves. Men close enough to them must show them an example of what is and is not acceptable. Boys must be allowed to deal with their feelings (rejection, hurt, anger, disappointment etc.) They must be taught their value as well. Both must be taught their importance and role in relation to the opposite sex.
Digga38
The seperation between what's fake and what's real
STFU...DATE BETTER MEN
Digga38
The seperation between what's fake and what's real
I cant count the number of times i have seen my mother got her ass whooped
baseball bats the whole 9....
my mother was an alcoholic like every weekend bad for the majority of my childhood
that caused a lot of fights and beatings from my dad....
I begged my mother to leave for years and we didnt move out till i was in HS
IMO counseling for both is whats needed.
she never left because she didnt have the confidence to make it on her own....
he had anger management problem....his father was pretty much the same way...prob a lot worse
baseball bats the whole 9....
my mother was an alcoholic like every weekend bad for the majority of my childhood
that caused a lot of fights and beatings from my dad....
I begged my mother to leave for years and we didnt move out till i was in HS
IMO counseling for both is whats needed.
she never left because she didnt have the confidence to make it on her own....
he had anger management problem....his father was pretty much the same way...prob a lot worse
twhatever
we had joy we had fun we had seasons in the sun
That's the same language white supremacist thought uses to trivialize black humanity and justify abuse/discrimination.
So many parallels between male privilege and white privilege.The tactics employed are strikingly similar.
Constantine
Et in Arcadia ego...
I'm not trying to troll, but according to a study (ironically released around the time Steve McNair was killed) conducted by a physician, domestic violence is roughly initiated equally among males and females. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106820029
The only reason I bring it up is because if domestic violence is a learned behavior, telling Timothy and Tyrone not to hit girls is going to be ineffective when they go home and see their mother socking their father, or pouring boiling water on him. The same is true for Susan or Keisha. If you only ignore domestic violence committed by women, you end up with cases like those below.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/0...oad-running-husband-over-with-van-102127.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/crystal-mangum-duke-lacrosse-accuser-convicted-in-murder-case/
http://www.wlwt.com/news/jury-finds-shayna-hubers-guilty-of-murder-of-ryan-poston/32528784
The only reason I bring it up is because if domestic violence is a learned behavior, telling Timothy and Tyrone not to hit girls is going to be ineffective when they go home and see their mother socking their father, or pouring boiling water on him. The same is true for Susan or Keisha. If you only ignore domestic violence committed by women, you end up with cases like those below.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/0...oad-running-husband-over-with-van-102127.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/crystal-mangum-duke-lacrosse-accuser-convicted-in-murder-case/
http://www.wlwt.com/news/jury-finds-shayna-hubers-guilty-of-murder-of-ryan-poston/32528784
You are an imbecile.
Where's the study? Pointing out these cases doesn't change the fact that men kill more women in domestic violence situations, and that black women are killed much more than other women in these situations.
From where I sit, black women fall victim to the same grand narratives that affect black men in that black women are dehumanized and considered disposable, which makes it difficult, almost impossible, to view them as victims.
You see this with the way whites weaponize "black on black crime". The obvious corollary to black on black crime is that the victim is black, but its never framed that way because white racists cant view blacks with sympathy, so they view the victims and perpetrators in the same lens as some sort of animalistic choreography of sub humans.
Even on this site, it's quite common to portray black women as ugly, mentally inferior, hyper-masculine, loud, and aggressive --- with this sort of portrayal it stands to reason that violence against them is natural byproduct of how awful they supposedly behave as a group (just like violence against black men is natural because of the supposed behaviors of black men). Even among the average black person, Im sure a white victim of domestic violence is more sympathetic than a black woman given the narratives blacks themselves promote.
People get on me when I say things like coli is the black st0rmfr0nt and what not, and while that equivalency is an exaggeration its born out of genuine frustration with black men and how they are so comfortable adopting horrible views about black women, and others, that mimic white resentment of blacks overall. Its why I've largely checked out of racial discussions, and changed my views overall, because I think people in general are self-absorbed, and self-focused a$$holes who view other groups with scorn and undeserving of the same consideration as them.
You see this with the way whites weaponize "black on black crime". The obvious corollary to black on black crime is that the victim is black, but its never framed that way because white racists cant view blacks with sympathy, so they view the victims and perpetrators in the same lens as some sort of animalistic choreography of sub humans.
Even on this site, it's quite common to portray black women as ugly, mentally inferior, hyper-masculine, loud, and aggressive --- with this sort of portrayal it stands to reason that violence against them is natural byproduct of how awful they supposedly behave as a group (just like violence against black men is natural because of the supposed behaviors of black men). Even among the average black person, Im sure a white victim of domestic violence is more sympathetic than a black woman given the narratives blacks themselves promote.
People get on me when I say things like coli is the black st0rmfr0nt and what not, and while that equivalency is an exaggeration its born out of genuine frustration with black men and how they are so comfortable adopting horrible views about black women, and others, that mimic white resentment of blacks overall. Its why I've largely checked out of racial discussions, and changed my views overall, because I think people in general are self-absorbed, and self-focused a$$holes who view other groups with scorn and undeserving of the same consideration as them.
Constantine
Et in Arcadia ego...
I doubt you even listened to the interview I posted. The fact you posted a article with that football player who duffed his girlfriend proves my point. If you watch the video, it clearly shows she was the aggressor in the situation. This is the article the guest on the show referenced with the name of the journal the study was published in. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...tic-violence-violent-couples-violence-victims
This is a pdf of part of the study. http://www.newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.pdf
This is the abstract of the study http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020
This is from the NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
This is a article from Jezebel http://jezebel.com/5509717/domestic-violence-are-women-as-abusive-as-men
Here's some more articles with referenced studies http://www.medicaldaily.com/domesti...timate-terrorists-controlling-behavior-290662
http://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-aggressor-unspoken-truth-domestic-violence/196746/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/14/a-domestic-violence-victim/
If you want to go to Jstor, or your public library and find the journal yourself, that's your prerogative.
Disraeli said there were lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your only pointing out quantitative numbers. What are the qualitative reasoning's behind the stats? As far as men killing more women in domestic violent situations, the thinking is that men are physically stronger, and therefore able to dominate, and inflict more damage on their partners. What are the social economic factors involved in domestic violence, what are the education levels of the batters, is alcohol involved, or illicit drug use? Did the perpetrators grow up in a household where domestic violence was prevalent? I'll point out again that it's believed that domestic violence is a learned behavior. Regardless of your gender, if you commit domestic violence in front of your children, they're going to normalize that behavior, and grow up to become potential perpetrators of domestic violence, regardless of their gender. Any one can point out stats, but if you want to solve the problem you have to approach it from a qualitative approach. But you don't want to do that, you just want to troll, so carry on.
Stopped reading after you said that Janay Rice was the "aggressor".