Vince bringing in the NWO to kill the company in storyline actually killed the company in reality

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This. In Prichard podcast, he told the story of hall being on Antabuse. After hearing the story and rewatchimg it, I can see he was kind of out of it. In JRs podcast, he tried to justified stone colds unprofessional ass conduct by implying hall wasnt high tier. Thats insane, hall had the charisma, mic work and when motivated the in ring work to go up with anyone. In the late 90s he was nearly as over as anyone else.

On a larger level, it was said that for both the invasion angle and the nwo angle, the wwe stars didn't want wcw to go over bc they tried to run them out of business. This is the stupid rationale I've ever heard of. 1) the angle doesn't work if the wcw guys don't win bc the fans are expecting wwe to go over and the wcw guys aren't established as a threat until the do so. Therefore when wwe eventually did, it was predictable and wcw wasnt built up enough to elevate wwe in doing so 2) ITS ON WWE PROGRAMMING SO THE WWE WINs REGARDLESS. The fan of today isn't going to go, well wcw was really better bc they won...they are aware of the dynamic that wcw is owned by wwe. This isnt like ecw invasion. And even if they did, wwe is the benefactor by ratings. These wrasslers take themselves so serious they spite themselves.
Nah, Vince's EGO is the real culprit. He wanted to bury WCW and anyone that tried to make a name for themselves in other promotion.
 

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Except they had plenty of profitable years afterwards. Seriously do ya'll know what killing something actually means? WCW was killed by bad decisions, while the WWE is still a multi billion dollar company.
 

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Except they had plenty of profitable years afterwards. Seriously do ya'll know what killing something actually means? WCW was killed by bad decisions, while the WWE is still a multi billion dollar company.

Yea, I dont think they meaning financially just quality.

Like Justice League made $657M, but it was an embarrassingly shytty movie
 

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nwo did take over wcw though, like they said they would

and in some ways it did kill wcw
 

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On a related note: The Austin/Hall abduction angle is some of the most mean spirited shyt from Vince. It'd be like if they did one of these angles with Jeff Hardy but had Sheamus taunting him with real drugs and angles where the drugs were in his face and shyt.

This was Hall's FIRST WEEK back with the company and they're putting him in an angle where he's being taunted with beer all night and has beer spilled and poured over him multiple times during the day. While Vince full well knew his problem was so severe he was on probation upon signing and Hall was on meds that would make him sick even smelling booze.
 

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Just watched the raw where they made the hogan/rock match for mania, completely forgot the semi /ambulance thing was the same episode

it looked like it hurt perfect to even walk if you watch his eyes
 

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This. In Prichard podcast, he told the story of hall being on Antabuse. After hearing the story and rewatchimg it, I can see he was kind of out of it. In JRs podcast, he tried to justified stone colds unprofessional ass conduct by implying hall wasnt high tier. Thats insane, hall had the charisma, mic work and when motivated the in ring work to go up with anyone. In the late 90s he was nearly as over as anyone else.

On a larger level, it was said that for both the invasion angle and the nwo angle, the wwe stars didn't want wcw to go over bc they tried to run them out of business. This is the stupid rationale I've ever heard of. 1) the angle doesn't work if the wcw guys don't win bc the fans are expecting wwe to go over and the wcw guys aren't established as a threat until the do so. Therefore when wwe eventually did, it was predictable and wcw wasnt built up enough to elevate wwe in doing so 2) ITS ON WWE PROGRAMMING SO THE WWE WINs REGARDLESS. The fan of today isn't going to go, well wcw was really better bc they won...they are aware of the dynamic that wcw is owned by wwe. This isnt like ecw invasion. And even if they did, wwe is the benefactor by ratings. These wrasslers take themselves so serious they spite themselves.
You can't leave out Hall going out and getting fukked up and being hungover as hell being a big part of Stone Cold refusing to take that loss.
 

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The follow up to WM 17...things have never been the same. The Invasion should of changed the industry like the nwo formation did. They fukked it up.
that doesnt even make sense though

have the NWO do exactly what the NWO did to WCW to "change the industry" ?

It was played out already
 

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that doesnt even make sense though

have the NWO do exactly what the NWO did to WCW to "change the industry" ?

It was played out already
No, no, no..it should of been RVD vs Benoit vs Eddie vs Jericho

Sting vs the Rock

Austin vs Goldberg

Undertaker vs Sting

Hogan vs Austin

Rock and Austin vs Outsiders

Outsiders vs Taker/Kane

Thats money...
 

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Just watched the raw where they made the hogan/rock match for mania, completely forgot the semi /ambulance thing was the same episode

it looked like it hurt perfect to even walk if you watch his eyes

His match with Austin is such a mess. You'd think one of them got concussed in the early moments or something, but Perfect was definitely looking bloated and walks like a guy with a completely fukked back.

You can't leave out Hall going out and getting fukked up and being hungover as hell being a big part of Stone Cold refusing to take that loss.

As for Austin putting over Hall....that was never going to happen under any circumstances. Austin also wasn't going to lay down for Nash or Hogan, either. But I haven't heard a story of Hall coming in hungover on any of the shows before WM. But that'd be a pretty hypocritical reason for Austin, who was boozing HARD daily at the time and it was showing in his physique, not to put someone over.


All these NWO segments fukking suck. Every single promo, every backstage thing, they're all so lame and uncool. None of the 3 seem like they particularly give a shyt, there's absolutely none of the edge or danger to any of them that there was in 1996/1997. And definitely none of the coolness. The Rock/Hogan match build is stupid trash, luckily saved by the match and crowd. Hall and Nash are too old to be motivated and have fire to them at this point, Hogan wasn't cool even in 1996.

And their shyt is so over the top. The NWO in 1996/1997 could beat up the entire WCW roster with 3-6 guys with a couple of bats. The NWO of 2002 is digging around ringside for wrenches and hammers, ramming ambulances with semis, wheeling out cinder blocks to bust on knees. Hogan doing promos alone with a cardboard cutout of Rock like it's 2000 yappapi. Vince obviously did not understand what made the NWO work the first time and his version of it was so over produced and lame. And this is coming off of years of lame as fukk NWO anyway.

Their entire purpose of being brought in was Vince trying to back Flair into a corner to sell his half of the company back with the thread of the NWO ruining the company like it did WCW. Flair doesn't back down, Vince brings in the NWO, and then is completely hands off with the NWO, who only go after Austin and Rock. This ultimately doesn't even matter because Flair is forced to relinquish his half of the company to wrestle Taker at WM. None of the other members of the roster give a shyt about the NWO after the first night because no one but Rock and Austin interacts with them. They aren't disrupting shows, they aren't attacking randoms. There's no attempt to takeover. Literally the entire reason they were brought in is dropped the next night and the original cause of them being brought in is resolved 2 weeks later in an unrelated angle.


EDIT: Also they streamed WM 18 on WWF.com :dwillhuh:
 
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The fingerpoke of doom and the higher power angle were ultimately what killed the boom, and the company is still going fairly strong. As a company.
 

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The full scope of how nonsense this run was:

Vince threatens to bring in the NWO in an attempt to pressure Flair to give up his half of the company. Flair tells him he's making a huge mistake, these guys are going to ruin everything, but won't give up his half of the company. The NWO arrives at No Way Out in February, immediately interfering in the title match, costing Austin the match. Flair then loses his power in the company anyway to go forward with his feud with Taker. :russ:

Throughout the 4 weeks between No Way Out and WM, Vince has absolutely nothing to do with them and they only interact with Austin and Rock. At WM, Hall and Nash kick Hogan out of the group. The next night, X-Pac replaces him, Flair gets his power back and the brand split is announced.

Ric Flair drafts....the NWO. :gucci: The same guys he told Vince he was making a huge mistake bringing them in, who has a long and storied past with the group from the WCW days. He almost immediately suspends Kevin Nash who of course is already injured and needs a surgery. After picking Big Show as Austin's partner against Hall and X-Pac, Big Show turns on Austin and joins the NWO. I think this is now the 3rd time he had joined the NWO. Austin blames Flair for this. Within the month, Flair is a full heel feuding with Austin and is a defacto member of the NWO, essentially replacing Scott Hall who was fired on screen by Flair and off screen by Vince after the Flight From Hell. :skip: Flair then one week randomly picks Booker T to be the newest member of the NWO.

When Kevin Nash returns a week or two later, he makes it a point that they didn't pick Booker to be in the group, but he's in it so that's that. After Austin walks out of the company, Flair completely drops the association with the group, loses his 50% to Vince, and then returns to active competition as a face. :what: For a few weeks, X-Pac/Big Show don't get along with Booker, and Nash gets mad a lot. Then he brings back HBK as the newest member of the group.

A week later, HBK kicks Booker (after some very :mjpls:comments) out of the group for trying to outshine the NWO like Austin did to him and Rock did to Hunter. For the next month or so, Big Show and X-Pac do comedy skits with Booker and Goldust while HBK cuts promos about how Nash is the leader and the NWO is the most powerful group in WWE, and Nash threatens to beat up X-Pac and Big Show if they lose any matches every week. They make overtures to HHH to join the group, but as HHH is out with an injury, he doesn't respond, so they say there is going to be some big conflict one way or the other at Vengeance, which of course never happens because Kevin Nash immediately blew out his quad in his first match back and the next week Vince buried the group for good. And on that same night, he brought in Eric Bischoff to be GM, which sounds an awful lot like the logic of bringing Ric Flair in the night after the WCW angle ended :shaq2:

So in the roughly 5 months the NWO was in WWE: They never went after any titles. They never disrupted any shows. They were brought in by one boss and listened to the other and even let the boss pick members of the group and didn't even argue about it. They only interacted with whoever they directly feuding with: IE Austin and Rock, then Austin and Bradshaw, then Booker T. They hung out in the back drinking coffee and reading newspapers. The whole "they're such bad influences, locker room cancer" stuff was dropped after about 2 weeks. Especially in the few weeks of HBK's involvement, they'd come out and say they're the most dominant group in WWE and blah blah blah but they lost every major match any of them had. Hogan got kicked out of the group within a month, Kevin Nash was injured within a month, Hall was fired within 3 months. X-PAC was the replacement for Hogan for fukk's sake :mjlol:

What's very clear to me is that Vince was only interested in Hogan from the start and didn't give a shyt about what Hall and Nash were there to do or if they were there at all. From day one all the announcers would talk up how much of a legend Hogan was and they'd basically just ignore that Nash had a year long WWF Championship run, 5 time WCW Champion, broke Goldberg's streak. Pretty much ignored that Hall was one of the most popular guys they had in the 90s, 4 time IC Champ, legendary ladder match "creator". All they talked about was Nash being lazy and Hall's drinking problem.


Honestly the WWE NWO might be as impotent and cursed as NWO 2000. Vince clearly didn't understand even the concept of the group :hhh:
 
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