you mean the same good book that says....
Children who refuse to obey their parents must be executed.
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21
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oh boy you dont want to do this. so i'll let you off the hook this time. i dont want to make a 2 page long post about how out of context every bible post you make usually is. i can take anything out of context and make it to mean this or that.
but just to prove the point. lets address this one.
"If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, 19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. 20 "And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear," (Deut. 21:18-21).
This seemingly harsh punishment for rebellion has been used by the critics of Christianity to infer the moral backwardness of Old Testament ethics. It is easy to throw stones from the comfort of our 21st century perspective. But the ancient harsh example is intended to keep order in the family and also in society. Consider Exodus 20:12 which says, "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you." God's intention is that the family not degenerate to such an extent that authority is undermined. This has potential serious consequences in society as a whole should familial rebellion become rampant.
In the Old Testament God appears harsh for three reasons. First, it was to demonstrate the exacting requirements of the Law, a perfect and demanding standard. Second, it ultimately demonstrates the need for grace that would eventually be manifested on the cross. Third, should rebellion take root the very heart of the gospel would be at risk since the prophecies of the Messiah coming to and through Israel could be undermined should rebellion become rampant and society fall apart causing the prophecies to fail. Therefore, we can conclude that this harsh requirement was a necessary legality to instill and designate the necessity of family order and respect and to ultimately provide another safeguard that would ensure the sacrifice of Christ.
Also, consider the following six points from by John Haley regarding the stores:1
That it is a son, and not a daughter.
That he is "stubborn" and "rebellious," a "glutton" and a "drunkard."
The parents are the only allowed plaintiffs, and both must concur in the complaint to make it a legal one.
He is brought before the elders of the city, and investigation is had into the merits of the case.
That no case is on record in which a person was put to death under this law.
That the mere fact of the existence of such a law would tend strongly to confirm the authority of parents, and to deter youth for disobedience and unfilial2 conduct.
1. Haley, John W., Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible,
and dont just read the bolded. read it all. the point is, you tried to hit us with a GOTCHA, but you ddint get anyone.
and further more lets address this point
But the ancient harsh example is intended to keep order in the family and also in society. Consider Exodus 20:12 which says, "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you." God's intention is that the family not degenerate to such an extent that authority is undermined. This has potential serious consequences in society as a whole should familial rebellion become rampant.
do we see anything like that in society today? we surely do.
How many single parent homes are there? how many sons are in jail. what do they say about good father in the home with his wife(the sons mother) and the son. There's a reason the son is more likely to do the right things based on this authority that first comes from GOD then to the father(man of the house), mother, and then the child(son). in that order) when the father is not there,and especially for nonsense reasons. the son a lot of times is out of control. because that authority figure(POPS) is not there to keep him in check.
without keeping our SONS in check, we have a CRIMINALS running rampant.
lets look at CHICAGO and the gun violence. that surely aint a bunch of rachet chicks shooting up people. thats SONS doing the most damage. they have ZERO regard for authority of their parent(most likely a single mother) or at times PARENTS. and we see what the consequences are when you dont have a TOUGH law like the one above. sons turn into killers, stealers, rapist, drug dealers.
but i know. it sounds sexier to say the bible is wrong for an old law that seems harsh on the surface but makes all the sense in the world.
lets look at it like this. Right now rebellious sons are not brought to the elders then for them to decide after the parents have both done their due diligence to get a son under control.
that same son of today is caught by the POLICE. who probably doesnt give a ... about your son to begin with, and wont do a bunch of research to see if your son deserves full punishment or not. they are just there trying to add to the prison population. So they make the same decision as the elders. they wont stone you to death unless you have killed someone. but they will treat you like a slave for your time in prison and even after with probation.
remember usually a son that goes as far as to completely rebel and become a drunkard(or in this day an age, a drug addict and an alchy). that kind of son 99.9% of the time becomes a menace to society. those old laws were trying to keep SOCIETY at large in check. if you dont want those harsh rules fine. dont cry when the next 7 year old gets shot in the head because one of these VIOLENT REBELLIOUS sons were allowed to do whatever they wanted to do until the cops caught up with them. your choice. either way a life is lost. would you rather that life be the innocent kid or the menace to society that had every chance to do right and chose otherwise ?
link to that thread?
We're a rare breed and I'm only related to three of them.
then u might have some deeper hidden feelings. 