Venezuela 🇻🇪 vs. Guyana 🇬🇾 Watch Thread - Essequibo/Esequiba/Esequibo

[Professor Emeritus]

Are you the environmental expert?

Compared to the way I would like to define expert, in terms of someone who actually devotes their professional career to it, personally understands the situation on the ground from direct engagement, and has spent a good 10,000 hours deeply dealing with the intricacies across the board? No.

But compared to you, every single source you've posted, and probably anyone you actually read? Yes, lol, by a looooooong shot yes. PM sent, clown.

axiomatically this works in reverse…environmentalists can’t comment on the economy either

I didn't say economists couldn't comment on the environment, but they certainly make poor sources for Arguments from Authority.

It's perfectly fair for economists to comment on the economic implications of certain environmental policies, just like it's okay for environmentalists to comment on the environmental implications of economic policies.

The problem comes when economists try to speak authoritatively on the environmental implications of their policies, without actually having an informed understanding of environmental issues. You can ask an economist how to best incentivize carbon reduction, but that economist isn't likely to have a fukking clue whether incentivizing carbon reduction is enough or what other large-scale environmental implications will result from their policies.

 

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Compared to the way I would like to define expert, in terms of someone who actually devotes their professional career to it, personally understands the situation on the ground from direct engagement, and has spent a good 10,000 hours deeply dealing with the intricacies across the board? No.

But compared to you, every single source you've posted, and probably anyone you actually read? Yes, lol, by a looooooong shot yes. PM sent, clown.






I didn't say economists couldn't comment on the environment, but they certainly make poor sources for Arguments from Authority.

It's perfectly fair for economists to comment on the economic implications of certain environmental policies, just like it's okay for environmentalists to comment on the environmental implications of economic policies.

The problem comes when economists try to speak authoritatively on the environmental implications of their policies, without actually having an informed understanding of environmental issues. You can ask an economist how to best incentivize carbon reduction, but that economist isn't likely to have a fukking clue whether incentivizing carbon reduction is enough or what other large-scale environmental implications will result from their policies.

none of this changes or challenges or counters the FACT that you are a degrowther.

My argument is pretty direct. You want people to consume less.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

none of this changes or challenges or counters the FACT that you are a degrowther.

That wasn't even our topic of discussion, that's SOLELY a word you entered into the discussion to deflect.

I can't "challenge or counter" a word that your own articles said is undefineable. 2 of the 3 articles you posted say degrowther can mean numerous things, many of them unrelated. So I don't give a shyt what word to use, I don't use that one. I talk about actual actions we need to take, which seems to piss you off cause you prefer sticking with name-calling and taglines.


The topic of discussion was whether we should divest from an oil-based economy. You claimed over and over that that was all I ever talked about and the sole thing I was focused on. You said I was asinine for believing that. Yet all three of your sources have co-signed me. Have you really forgotten that?

They ALL said we need to divest from an oil-based economy. Your OWN sources, that you posting, universally agree on that point. And that's all we were talking about from the beginning.

Why do you keep ignoring that topic to deflect to this "degrowth" shyt that has nothing to do with the actual topic of any thread we've posted in all week?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

My argument is pretty direct. You want people to consume less.

We obviously need to consume less, even your own sources said so. Are you really this ignorant?


The debate engaged in the articles you sent me wasn't whether we needed to consume less, it was whether green technology can allow us to decouple consumption growth from economic growth, so that the economy can continue to grow while consumption of resources declines.

But there is ZERO debate over whether we need to consume less, we're clearly overtaxing damn near every fukking resource (fossil fuels, forests, fisheries, agricultural land, clean air, clear water) despite most of the world still living well below acceptable living standards. If we can't decouple consumption from growth then our economy is absolutely fukked, even the economists know that.

You really don't understand anything you've been posting at all, do you?

 

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We obviously need to consume less, even your own sources said so. Are you really this ignorant?


The debate engaged in the articles you sent me wasn't whether we needed to consume less, it was whether green technology can allow us to decouple consumption growth from economic growth, so that the economy can continue to grow while consumption of resources declines.

But there is ZERO debate over whether we need to consume less, we're clearly overtaxing damn near every fukking resource (fossil fuels, forests, fisheries, agricultural land, clean air, clear water) despite most of the world still living well below acceptable living standards. If we can't decouple consumption from growth then our economy is absolutely fukked, even the economists know that.

You really don't understand anything you've been posting at all, do you?

De. Grow. Leftist.

That’s you. Argue with your mother. It’s a title you don’t like but like putting fussy kids in sweaters when it’s cold you’re gonna wear it

 

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Uncle Sam said what’s hanninennnnnn’

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Brazil deploys troops to Venezuela border

Soldiers are deploying, days after Venezuela announces plans to take over part of Guyana.

www.bbc.com

Brazil deploys troops to Venezuela border​

6th December 2023, 10:44 EST
By Katy WatsonBBC South America correspondent, São Paulo

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A view of the Essequibo region
Brazil says that it is deploying troops along its border with Venezuela after the Venezuelan government announced plans to incorporate an area controlled by Guyana into its territory.

The oil-rich Essequibo region has been in dispute since the 19th Century when Guyana was a British colony.

Venezuela renewed its land claims after offshore oil and gas reserves were discovered a few years ago.

Tensions have been rising since a referendum on Sunday in Venezuela.

More than 95% of voters are said to have supported the government's claim to Essequibo.

Venezuela's leader Nicolás Maduro has since asked the state oil company to issue extraction licenses there and proposed that the National Assembly pass a bill to make the area part of Venezuela.

The measures are cause for concern across the region. While Guyana has its troops on high alert, the Brazilian army has said that it is moving more soldiers to the border city of Boa Vista, the capital of Roraima state, as well as bringing in more armed vehicles.

However any military incursion by Venezuela will be logistically challenging, Venezuelan soldiers would need to pass through Brazilian territory if they enter Essequibo because of challenging terrain elsewhere.

According to AFP news agency, Brazil's army has said it is reinforcing its presence in the region as part of efforts to "guarantee the inviolability of the territory".

A Guyanese army helicopter with seven people on board was reported missing near the Venezuelan border on Wednesday. However, the Guyanese Chief of Staff, Omar Khan, said there was "no information suggesting Venezuela was involved".

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[Professor Emeritus]

De. Grow. Leftist.

That’s you. Argue with your mother. It’s a title you don’t like but like putting fussy kids in sweaters when it’s cold you’re gonna wear it

Do you have a therapist, or any other trained professional who could help you grapple with exactly what your personality disorder is? I can't tell enough to diagnosis you over the internet but you're clearly not well.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you have a therapist, or any other trained professional who could help you grapple with exactly what your personality disorder is? I can't tell enough to diagnosis you over the internet but you're clearly not well.

It’s not illegal to want people to eat paper to solve climate change. But we’re gonna discuss your thoughts on those terms

 

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Tankies learned about Guyana today

 

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