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Just admit you didn't know the type of socialism Sanders supports. Many people don't know there is many different types of socialism :manny: Plus it doesn't help he mislabels himself as a democratic socialist when he is a social democratic.:yeshrug:
You came in here accusing people of conflating the two :francis:
 

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details of how they made missteps specifically?

This article explains it:

In a faraway land, an eccentric king nailed an edict to the door of his palace that said: “Henceforth, $20 bills will be sold here for $1.”

Within minutes, his subjects were clamoring for those cut-rate twenties. So the king posted a second edict: “Each $20 bill shall be used only to buy things abroad.” Then a third: “Whatever you buy abroad with your $20 you must sell in our kingdom for $2.”

“This will make me beloved!” he thought. “Foreign goods will be cheap for all.”

But it didn’t work out that way. Soon, the lines for $20 bills were matched by lines at every store that sold foreign goods.

Since nobody saw much point in buying anything abroad to sell for just $2, people mostly pocketed the twenties and the imports never showed up on store shelves. And if any item did hit the shelves, whether it was a $2 box of diapers or a $2 sack of flour, it could be sold for $6 on the black market — so standing in line at the shops became a job.

The king was incensed. A new edict appeared: “Pocketing your twenty and marking up a $2 import are henceforth economic crimes, punishable by imprisonment.”

Riot police officers roamed the queues sniffing out dissent; subjects were recruited as spies. “It must be a conspiracy! A foreign plot to overthrow the monarchy,” raged the king.

If this fable strikes you as far-fetched, spare a thought for the people of Venezuela. For 12 years, their economy has been run pretty much along these lines.

In 2003, a beleaguered President Hugo Chávez imposed currency controls to try to hold down inflation and prevent a speculative run on the Venezuelan bolívar. Over the years that followed, these controls evolved into the byzantine tiered system by which the government’s oil dollars are sold at three different official prices — while hard-currency dollars fetch a fourth, higher price on the black market.

An importer who pledges to purchase basic necessities to bring into the country can buy a dollar for about six bolívars. But walk up to a bank teller and the same dollar costs 178 bolívars: nearly 3,000 percent more. For the 264 bolívars that it cost at the time of this writing to buy one black-market dollar, you could buy 42 dollars at the official rate.

The system gives rise to a mind-bending tangle of economic distortions. By one calculation, with a single $100 bill exchanged at the black market rate, you can buy enough subsidized gasoline in Venezuela to drive a Hummer around the world 28 times. A new Toyota Corolla retails for about 1.9 million bolívars — that’s either about $300,000 (at one exchange rate) or around $7,200 (at another), take your pick. As in our fable, the exchange-rate regime creates huge incentives for importers to pocket their cheap dollars rather than bring in goods — and that gives rise to lines. Long lines. For all the basics.

Alongside scarcity, a new specter — or rather, an old one — has emerged. For the last two weeks, the bolívar has been in free fall, evoking fear of devastating hyperinflation, rarely seen in Latin America since the turn of the century.

Venezuela is no longer an economy marked by distortions. Rather, it’s one big distortion, marked by pockets of economic activity — what a leading blogger calls Distortioland.

What’s strange is that Venezuela’s chaos is entirely self-inflicted. Unlike Greece, which simply doesn’t have the money to pay its debts, the solution to Venezuela’s disaster is a desk reform well within President Nicolás Maduro’s power: Just stop handing out twenties for a buck.

As the economist Francisco R. Rodríguez has argued, this simple step would eliminate much of Venezuela’s huge budget deficit, because the government would get more local currency for every barrel of oil sold. That would bring down runaway inflation, because the government would no longer have to print the extra bolívars it needs to operate. And it would put an end to the long lines, because importers would no longer have overwhelming incentives to hoard cheap dollars rather than buy imports.

Even economists who often clash with Mr. Rodríguez, like Prof. Ricardo Hausmann of Harvard, agree that unifying the exchange rate would be an important first step in reform. Venezuela “has the most ridiculous exchange-rate differential ever in the history of mankind,” noted Mr. Hausmann. Normally, in countries in crisis, the reforms needed to right the economy could prove unpopular in the short term. Normally, tearing down the $20-for-a-buck edict, which means devaluing the currency, would hit people’s pocketbooks hard by increasing the price of imports. Normally, the leaders would be between a rock and a hard place: between default and mass protests.

But Distortioland is not normal. The currency regime offers nothing to consumers facing empty shelves, so devaluation could prove popular, even in the short run. Venezuela, between a rock and a lounge chair, has thrown itself against the rock.

So why doesn’t Mr. Maduro take action? Maybe because those people pocketing twenties are friends of the government. Or because the Maduro administration just doesn’t understand the economic consequences of walking back its earlier mistakes (shockingly, there’s not a single economist in Venezuela’s cabinet). In any case, it’s not happening.

What’s happening instead is that the multiple exchange rate system is spawning police-state actions. As discontent mounts, a government at wits’ end is turning paranoid — pouncing on even the mildest expressions of dissent.

In January, the police detained an opposition activist named Daniel M. Yabrudy and others for handing out coffee and water to people who were in line outside a Caracas supermarket to buy food. The students’ crime? On each cup, the message: “Don’t get used to this, we can live better
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You came in here accusing people of conflating the two :francis:
You don't refer to Bernie as a socialist? And the type of socialism you attach to him isn't Marxism?
I was referring to @Atlrocafella "socialist Bernie" remark. Just a quick glance it looks like Venezuela is/was a close to pure form of socialism (looks like a lot was going on besides socialism that messed them up) and there is a difference between that and social democracy which capitalism isnt done away with.
 

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Have idealist who have no idea how to integrate a socialist economy into a globalized capitalistic economic construct run your economy brehs.
 

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@Domingo Halliburton you need to be more succinct with that story, is that in dollars, bollivars or both?

They're using examples in dollars but that is what has happened to the bolivar.

They've artificially pegged the bolivar to the dollar. The currency should be worth way less than what the "official" Government rate is. So they constantly have to intervene in the marketplace to prop it up. This means printing a ton of money and blowing through your foreign reserves (foreign currency held at your central bank). Ironically these moves just lead to more devaluation.

What the article points out is they price control everything. A business realizes if I have toilet paper and I want to sell it I can only sell it at this government mandated price below what I could fetch in a free market. So why sell it in Venezuela when I can sell it in Columbia/black market for 3 times as much? This is what is happening and leads to shortages of basic goods and huge inflation.
 
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They're using examples in dollars but that is what has happened to the bolivar.

They've artificially pegged the bolivar to the dollar. The currency should be worth way less than what the "official" Government rate is. So they constantly have to intervene in the marketplace to prop it up. This means printing a ton of money and blowing through your foreign reserves (foreign currency held at your central bank). Ironically these moves just lead to more devaluation.

What the article points out is they price control everything. A business realizes if I have toilet paper and I want to sell it I can only sell it at this government mandated price below what I could fetch in a free market. So why sell it in Venezuela when I can sell it in Columbia/black market for 3 times as much? This is what is happening and leads to shortages of basic goods.


So complete economic stupidity led to this crisis.
 

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Venezuela is even worse than Zimbabwe because they have oil , had decent amount of foreign currency reserves. Chavez put a lot of their reserves in gold right at its peak and I am sure they sustained losses because of it. The exchange rate distortions are similar to what happened in Zimbabwe. The incentives to produce are not there when you can buy US dollars at a cheap price and turn around and resell it in the black market at a higher margin. The problem with this type of populism is that Governments prefer goods to be cheap and unavailable than to be expensive and available in order to score political points about protecting the poor. They also signed a deal with China where I am sure they pay back some of the loans in oil and at low prices they may have to send them much more oil than they anticipated.

The article also describes exactly what happened in Zimbabwe. If the official exchange rate was 1USD to 50 Zim dollars and the black market rate was 1:2000 , connected people could buy USD at the official rate and then sell it on the black market for 40 times more and then take those Zim dollars back to the central bank and buy even more USD. A firm can make far more profit doing this than actually produce and sell products.
 

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Venezuela's Opposition Can’t Pick a Strategy to Oust the President, So It’s Trying Three


By Alicia Hernández

March 29, 2016 | 1:15 pm
Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro has never been weaker.

Three years after the death of Hugo Chávez, Venezuela is in the middle of a deep political crisis and its economy is collapsing.

In December, voters stripped Maduro's ruling United Socialist Party of its majority in the National Assembly for the first time since Chávez was elected in 1998. The government has admitted that inflation is in triple figures — 180 percent in 2015, according to the country's central bank — and some observers say the true number is double that. There are widespread shortages of essential goods, and it's virtually impossible to obtain basic items like mosquito repellent, which became a necessity when the Zika virus began to spread through the country.

But while it sounds like the perfect time for the opposition to seize the moment and push Maduro out before he finishes his term in 2019, they cannot seem to agree on anything beyond the fact that they all want to see him go.

"The opposition is fighting with each other while power-sharing," said pollster and political analyst Jesús Seguías. "They are showing-off who is better, who is the nicest, who can get further. It is a very narcissistic exercise. Everybody has their own personal agenda."

Related: The Opposition Wins a Landmark Victory in Legislative Elections in Venezuela

Earlier this month after a series of heated closed-door discussions, the main opposition leaders launched Route 2016, a plan to oust Maduro, a 53-year-old former bus driver. But rather than pursue a single strategy, they're trying three at the same time.

The first path is a constitutional reform to cut the presidential term from six to four years in order to hold new elections by the end of 2016. But the move would require the approval of the government's judicial branch and the support of a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly, which the opposition does not have thanks to recent maneuvering by Maduro and his allies.

"The opposition lost that [two-thirds] majority when three deputies were excluded from the legislature after the high tribunal disqualified them for irregularities," said Luis Salamanca, political analyst and expert in constitutional law from the Central University of Venezuela.

Another option is to change the constitution and the structure of the state itself by holding a constituent assembly. It's a move that has not been attempted since Chávez used it to secure power in 1998.

This path, proposed by the Voluntad Popular party of incarcerated political leader Leopoldo López, is the most difficult to achieve because it requires three consecutive elections: One to choose the new members of the assembly, another to approve the new constitution, and a third to legitimize the powers obtained through the new constitution.

"It has the advantage that it could bring new rules to the game and change everything," Salamanca said. "The downside is the process of calling [the elections] within this context of crisis. One could even think that there is no money at all for new elections."

The third proposed route is what's known as a "revocatory referendum," which is essentially a popular vote to recall Maduro.

The Venezuelan constitution allows for this process to occur after the first three years of the presidential term, and two-time presidential candidate Henrique Capriles is currently campaigning for this option. The drawback is that the opposition would need to gather 4 million signatures in three days to formally request the referendum to the electoral authorities.

Watch: Last Days of Chavez's Legacy: The Fall of Chavismo in Venezuela

According to data from the polling company Datanálisis, seven out of 10 Venezuelans are against Maduro's government. The same study said that if elections were held today, the president would lose.

But given the opposition's indecisiveness and the fact that Maduro still controls the judicial branch, it might all be too little too late. Salamanca also noted that Maduro will not go quietly if the referendum is approved.

"It will happen like it always does: The government will use public resources to mobilize people, intimidate, and call people not to vote," Salamanca said.

The opposition called for mass demonstrations against Maduro when they presented their plan earlier this month, but so far the turnouts have been small.

Only 3,000 people showed up at a recent protest in Chacao, an opposition bastion and mid-high class neighborhood in Caracas, nowhere near the massive demonstrations against embattled President Dilma Rousseff in neighboring Brazil in the last few weeks.

Alberto Aranguibel, a pro-government political analyst, claims the MUD has failed because a majority of Venezuelans still support the government. "This past election the majority of people didn't vote to show their anger about the lack of food," he said. "In this country we have increased salaries, and not fired workers or foreclosed people's houses like the capitalist countries. And we give free healthcare and education."

The final possibility is that, given the depth of the current economic crisis, Maduro could simply choose to resign and leave the Miraflores presidential palace in Caracas voluntarily. Unfortunately for the opposition, however, Maduro has already vowed to finish out his term.

"I will never give myself to the oligarchy, trust me," Maduro said at a recent demonstration. "Let's get out together from this storm.

Venezuela's Opposition Can’t Pick a Strategy to Oust the President, So It’s Trying Three | VICE News
 
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