US Finally Wants to Help Build a Railroad Across Africa

[O.T.I.S.]

Better late than never I suppose


Chinese over there making blasian babies trying to over populate Africa since they chicks not fukkin

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Confessions of An Economic Hitman taught me that this wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[3rdWorld]

We dont want Americans in Africa, same way America doesnt want Africans in America and has made it abundantly clear.

fukk off with your railway line meant to easier send stolen resources to the docks

 

[Premeditated]

i love Coli geopoliticians

one of my favorite past time reading nikkas talk about something they have no clue about

 

[Premeditated]

China is offering to build the shyt for less and can provide the man power to make sure it gets done quickly. It's got millions of workers who will jump at the chance to hustle and make money.

Meanwhile over here we just elected a president that calls countries in Africa "shythole(s)"

China has set an example for the rest of the world. They are looking at their model and seeing if they can emulate it.

The choice is pretty clear for most developing nations.
A: a country that just told them "we are exactly as racist as you thought" by electing a blatant white supremacist as president all the while all the markers of stability in the country are eroding in real time. With cities literally crumbling while it's elected officials refuse to fund infrastructure bills.

B: the only country to ever lift over 300 million people out of poverty within less than 3 decades and who is rapidly becoming a leader in technology and sustainable development. This same country is continuously building massive, sophisticated cities and investing in high speed, publicly accessible transportation.


Do you bet on the horse with rabies that refuses to eat and bites people who try to feed it, or the pony that has a healthy appetite and is choosing to run laps and rest at appropriate times?

Angola has been doing business with China for over the last decade now.

they've already built their passenger and other line that started from Luanda. thet hasn't amounted to anything.

it's not line China built rail line have a history of profiting. look at Kenya's sgr

 

[Premeditated]

Imagine a US president telling China they won’t challenge them or attempt to be number 1.



Did you dummies know China lent Angola billions and let them pay it back in oil?

Angola couldn’t get enough “investments” or profit to keep the fields really going or grow them.

Why?

Because China was getting all the oil as part of the debt repayment



Then China started buying a bunch of Russian oil and stopped taking a bunch of Angola oil and told Angola we can figure this out later

brehs these dudes really think they are experts on African country geopolitics and they can determine what deal is best for them

the arrogance

AfRIcA nEeDs tO cHoSe cHiNa

As if every country has the same interest

 

[stepbackj34spud]

How about actually focusing on making sure we have competent and affordable national railroad system in the U.S.? Amtrak pretty much makes no sense financially to most Americans. $210 to go from NYC to Miami on a 28 hour trip. I found plane tickets as cheap as $75 with the average low to mid hundreds. Why would anyone take Amtrak? Let's hope the $66 billion allocated leads to some real improvements.

Exactly.

 

[Robbie3000]

This isn't a very strong argument because of the cold war. We don't teach the Chinese role much in the west. I basically had to go to college to learn anything about it, but they were very active.

China was acting a fool in Korea, Vietnam ,Thailand, Cambodia, burma, Laos, etc and is directly connected to the atrocities and genocides of South East Asia . They were too busy training insurge nts and destabling govts in Asia to focus on Africa.

There were a few noticable exceptions such as China's support for the Biafra regime. Ironically, they worked with France on that one and funneled guns in hopes of breaking the Nigerian union. China also funneled weapons into Angola in hopes of controlling the newly found country and differentiating themselves from the Soviets after their ideological split.


I admit they have chilled out during Xi and Jintao era, but they were very active in destabalization in the years prior.

That was survival. The U.S was set on toppling the communist regime and was trying to surround China on all sides. They had to fight back. Don’t you agree?

Most of the global conflict has been caused by the European’s greed and need to dominate other people.

 

[Robbie3000]

Angola has been doing business with China for over the last decade now.

they've already built their passenger and other line that started from Luanda. thet hasn't amounted to anything.

it's not line China built rail line have a history of profiting. look at Kenya's sgr

A lot of these projects China is undertaking in developing world are not exactly money makers for China. The only reason China can do take on these projects unlike the west is because they are being financed State Owned Enterprises and not Private profit driven banks of the West.

They can afford to reap benefits on a much longer time frame in terms of creating future suppliers and consumers of their products. It’s a win-win.

The claims of neo colonialism is just sour grapes from the West because all they know is imperialism and exploitation.

They literally cant fathom a world where you can have mutually beneficial arrangements between nations.( Especially rich nations and poor nations.) All they know is imperialism and exploitation.

 

[WIA20XX]

Long watch but I saw this the other week, interesting break down of why africa doesn't currently have extensive rail lines, ports, or river barges etc

Watched the same thing when it was recc'd by the algo.

Same cat talked about why Southern Italy isn't popping like Northern Italy.

Geography is destiny - aka a Jared Diamond-esque theory.

Meanwhile, there are peoples and nations all over the globe that said, eff dat, and got things done.

S. Korea said, naw, we're not gonna focus on a our comparative advantage - no we're gonna have steel mills and build ships.
China said that too.

Africa has coal and it has iron. It also has engineers.

The Bessemer process is from the 1800s, and so are railroads.
None of this is high tech.

MF'ing broke AF India builds it own trains and rail roads - Africa can too.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

If they use local workers and the governments negotiate payments of each load of raw materials being transported, it’s a win.

They always use local labour. The initiation planning execution monitoring and closure they look for people outside whove worked on large rail projects previously. The American companies who have extensive rail projects experience internationally are Bechtel and KBR and they will want Western Project Controls people on the job. Same with the contract managers. So anyone who has worked on mega scale rail projects like Qatar and Saudi within the last decade will have a lot of interest.

 

[Swirv]

They always use local labour. The initiation planning execution monitoring and closure they look for people outside whove worked on large rail projects previously. The American companies who have extensive rail projects experience internationally are Bechtel and KBR and they will want Western Project Controls people on the job. Same with the contract managers. So anyone who has worked on mega scale rail projects like Qatar and Saudi within the last decade will have a lot of interest.

How do they handle long term maintenance? Do they train local personnel to become specialists, or just bring foreigners?