US birth rate lowest in history. Falls below replacement.

[VerbalIntercourse]

that's cause this sort of "our people are mixing and not breeding" thing is fascist racial essentialism. it is to people's credit when they don't think like that.

there used to be millions of black people in east asia. Now, because of warfare and mixing, they are on the verge of being extinct. Many don't even know they exist. Most of their descedents don't even realize who their ancestors are, and would be ashamed of it.

Thats a good thing?

anyone who believes the destruction of their own kind is a good thing is completely insane.

 

[zerozero]

anyone who believes the destruction of their own kind is a good thing is completely insane.

Only cause you're put it in that semantic trap. Someone who doesn't believe in people having kids with another 'kind', or only has kids for the sake of some abstract race struggle, is far more insane to me

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

My mother didn't wait till she could afford me to have me and my siblings...Thank God she didn't think my future would be brighter if it met it's end at an abortion clinic... Thank God that her faith was stronger than her doubt in the sorrow of her circumstances at the time..

First of all nobody said anything about abortions except you "everyone should have kids and not give a shyt about how and who is going to take care of them" ass nikkas

Second of all, your story is meaningless, because statistics show kids born in poverty to single parents have a much higher chance of getting caught up in some shyt, or at the minimum needing govt assistance and making the same choices their parents did and being a burden on society

Third of all, I am sure your mother is a wonderful woman, but that doesnt change the FACT that 9 times out of 10 having a kid when you have no commitment from their father and are living in poverty is a BAD IDEA. You can get as emotional as you want, but at the end of the day there is no rationalizing having kids you KNOW you can't afford. Your mom made all the wrong decisions and got lucky

Not everyone is born with silver spoons in their mouth like you limousine liberal elitists in this forum...

Hood babies have as much worth and deserve just as much of a chance at life as your precious suburban seeds that were born into "well planned financial security"...

Bruh nobody is saying hood babies shouldn't have a chance at life... all I am saying is hood parents should give their kids the highest chance of success in life. What does that mean. That means for your mom to have got married before having kids to ensure some ties to a man. That means for your pops to have stuck around (if he didn't). That means for people in the hood to stop celebrating irresponsibility and govt dependency. You are trying to argue that because you are an exception to the rule nobody should question the rule. Come on

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

There are good and bad parents who are both poor and wealthy.

Poor people should analyst their situation before producing, but middle class should do the same. With more money comes more bills... they are middle class families in so much debt that having children would still be a difficult decision to make.

This is a good and legitimate point. People generally dont have much financial literacy, and the % of people who can actually afford kids gets smaller every day.

Also, some middle and upper class parents work so much that they hardly pay attention to their children... their children either become weirdos, losers, deal with social or neglect issues. Or they end up successful and normal; but that is due to them being in good environments and good schools.

The bolded is the key point here. YEs some kids are just fukked up. But a kid born to parents w/no plan and no means is more likely to get fukked up by circumstance.

There are some parents who are poor who instill discipline and morals as opposed to financial stability into their children.. and the children end up fine.

What % of poor parents are these though? A lot of these parents don't even have the discipline to plan for kids before they have them. And they have these kids when they themselves are still kids.

Most people who are poor stay poor in capitalist nation like ours.. class conflict keeps us going. But "exceptions" on poor people should be the same as the middle class and shouldn't depend on class.

What's the exception though? Poor people choose to have kids w/o planning for them, middle class people don't (anywhere near as much). Theres no exceptions being made. The same expectations and consequences apply to everybody.

 

[OG Talk]

First of all nobody said anything about abortions except you "everyone should have kids and not give a shyt about how and who is going to take care of them" ass nikkas

Second of all, your story is meaningless, because statistics show kids born in poverty to single parents have a much higher chance of getting caught up in some shyt, or at the minimum needing govt assistance and making the same choices their parents did and being a burden on society

Third of all, I am sure your mother is a wonderful woman, but that doesnt change the FACT that 9 times out of 10 having a kid when you have no commitment from their father and are living in poverty is a BAD IDEA. You can get as emotional as you want, but at the end of the day there is no rationalizing having kids you KNOW you can't afford. Your mom made all the wrong decisions and got lucky


Bruh nobody is saying hood babies shouldn't have a chance at life... all I am saying is hood parents should give their kids the highest chance of success in life. What does that mean. That means for your mom to have got married before having kids to ensure some ties to a man. That means for your pops to have stuck around (if he didn't). That means for people in the hood to stop celebrating irresponsibility and govt dependency. You are trying to argue that because you are an exception to the rule nobody should question the rule. Come on

You come off as someone who's only experience with poor people comes from statistics and media coverage...

The fact that you think that I'm an "exception to the rule" is tellling...


Life is more difficult for poor people?...That's stating the obvious.. That doesn't mean that it's not worth giving or living...

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

Only cause you're put it in that semantic trap. Someone who doesn't believe in people having kids with another 'kind', or only has kids for the sake of some abstract race struggle, is far more insane to me

abstract race struggle? there is a clear racial heirarchy in the world. It is completely rational for someone to consider the conquences of their descedants being of a different race.

Especially in a place like Brazil or even India, where being born the wrong race or wrong class means a lifetime of struggles, poverty and discrimination.

 

[Blackking]

that's cause this sort of "our people are mixing and not breeding" thing is fascist racial essentialism. it is to people's credit when they don't think like that.

I don't think it's fascist racial essentialism to think like that. It's not fascist first off. Second, it's not attributing anything false or assumed to any particular racial group.... it's not essentialism. White people have been the ones with the conceiving issue, so I just stated that; as it is not strictly a white issue, but it's one that white men and woman by far have had the most issues with.

And I said I was confused, mainly because I wouldn't be offended if I heard a white guy say something to the affect that he wouldn't be a gay rights protester, hard core abortion advocate, and promoter of only the wealthy having children.. when they take all the other factors to take into account.

I would avoid having a baby with a white woman only due to believing that they may not be great synergies between our families or perspectives on certain issues.. but I don't care if people mix it up as long as they have chemistry. I had an abortion with a white chick only a couple years ago, I am not pro abortion n tried to talk her out of it... But a small part of me was happy.

 

[Mr swag]

nikkas can't afford kids now


If the economy booms so will kids like after WW2

 

[OG Talk]

It's funny how folks only care about traditional family values and the mother/father unit, when it comes to dealing with poor Black people.. When it becomes a discussion in same sex relationships we're told to mind our business and let people "live their own lives"...


But now it's all about how the personal behavior of others affects society as a whole.....


Interesting....

 

[Huellz Santana]

if birthrates decline then, implicitly, families decline also. what kind of culture will exist where everyone is family-less?

what happens to men is pretty straightforward, since they are naturally adapted to solitary life, but what happens to women culturally when that happens - how will they adapt to it?

ive always thought that a woman without children and a family is a tragedy. a woman like that lives only for her own carnal pleasure instead of sacrifice to others and is lost in this world. so to have an entire society of this....

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[zerozero]

It's funny how folks only care about traditional family values and the mother/father unit, when it comes to dealing with poor Black people.. When it becomes a discussion in same sex relationships we're told to mind our business and let people "live their own lives"...


But now it's all about how the behavior of others affects society as a whole.....


Interesting....

it's not that ambiguous. everyone should have choices and make good choices. what kinda choice is "hoodrats stop aborting your wombs"?? (I know where the line comes from but just saying it's not a commendable course of action to just have a bunch of pregnancies youre on the borderline of keeping vs aborting.. better to make a choice of whether to conceive)

 

[OG Talk]

it's not that ambiguous. everyone should have choices and make good choices. what kinda choice is "hoodrats stop aborting your wombs"??

Don't look too deeply into that my man...

It's a throw away lyric from the GOAT that sparked a spin off discussion that exposed the biggotry and hatred of the liberal elite...

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It's funny how folks only care about traditional family values and the mother/father unit, when it comes to dealing with poor Black people.. When it becomes a discussion in same sex relationships we're told to mind our business and let people "live their own lives"...


But now it's all about how the personal behavior of others affects society as a whole.....


Interesting....

Bruh a kid w/2 employed + educated moms is probably going to turn out better to a kid w/1 un/underemployed + uneducated mom. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.

And again... nobody is saying poor people shouldn't have kids... just saying they should do everything in their power to make sure they give those kids the best environment + opportunities possible. That means planning and getting married and having some kind of financial plan.

The problem with your idea that kids are a "right" is that those rights become a burden on everyone else- including people who did the right thing and held off from having kids even though they wanted to, because they couldn't take care of the kids like they deserve to be taken care of. The right to free speech doesn't mean society has to subsidize a newspaper nobody buys. The right to bear arms doesn't mean society has to provide everyone with guns. So why should the right to bear offspring mean society having to pay for kids parents made ZERO effort to think/plan for how to take care of?

 

[OG Talk]

Bruh a kid w/2 employed + educated moms is probably going to turn out better to a kid w/1 un/underemployed + uneducated mom. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.

And again... nobody is saying poor people shouldn't have kids... just saying they should do everything in their power to make sure they give those kids the best environment + opportunities possible. That means planning and getting married and having some kind of financial plan.

The problem with your idea that kids are a "right" is that those rights are a burden on everyone else. The right to free speech doesn't mean society has to subsidize a newspaper nobody buys. The right to bear arms doesn't mean society has to provide everyone with guns. So why should the right to bear offspring mean society having to pay for kids parents made ZERO effort to think/plan for how to take care of?

So you feel that rights should be predicated on how they affect your wallet?



If that's the case why should Black people have the right to vote? They are obviously more likely to elect politicians and policies that are more of a strain on the tax payer..

You can never put your comfort or prosperity over another human beings right to live.. No way no how...


Unless you are just ready to embrace what you really are?

 

[Robbie3000]

It's not surprising. Kids are expensive and don't quite provide the value they used to back in our agrarian past where you had to have alot of kids to help out on the farm or even at the turn of the century when kids needed to work to contribute to the family.

And if you want to give your kids the added advantage of private or public schools in good districts, then that limits the number of kids you can afford.

The people having the most kids are the lower on the social-economic ladder.