Update: Knowing that free will is just an illusion, how to continue living?

[MischievousMonkey]

Edit: upon discussion with yall I realized the word practical wasn't the right one. It should be replaced by the word useful.



For now I'm staying on some surface level shyt:

No such thing as liberty, responsibility, choice, guilt (edit:wrong word, I should have used "culpability"), merit...

Humans are (complex) machines, just like animals, who record informations and react according to them.

A man is basically a bundle of genes (predetermined) ever reacting to experiences (can't do nothing about them since they happen to him). This mix genes/expériences form the personality and can explain the absolute totality of the "choices", "decisions", "thoughts" a man will make, take or have.

This is why there is no responsibility: if someone does something considered good, it's because he was predisposed to do it according to his personal mix. Same shyt if he does something bad.
At no moment does he have a choice in the matter; for he never decided what his genes would be and how they would react to his life experiences.

The only reason we tell this lie of responsibility is because we need it to justify cleaning up society with people threatening it.

I doubt I'll ever change my mind about this but feel free to discuss.

 

[Dreamzeedream]

responsibility, choice, guilt,



Those are real my nikka

 

[YamakaSmacker]

So is it in our genetics to change based on traumatic experiences? I think genetic predisposition is only one part of the equation a la nature + nurture

 

[T'krm]

Don't subscribe to idea that genes play overwhelming role of human developments.Traits, certainly.But saying certain genes predisposes one to certain acts of evil..eh...
Outside of a very parsed, specifc scientific argument on certain psychologocal disorders facilitating impulsive, often behaviors, this gets in the Eugenics territory.
I do however believe in the inherent evil of human nature on a spiritual level, though.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

 

[Pazzy]

Go outside and try that thinking in the real world. See where it leads you to.

 

[Software]

10/10 was not expecting this at all

 

[I Really Mean It]

Nah. Everyday, I make choices according to my own wants, decisions that are instant and others that I've deliberated over days or even weeks to months. Animals moves by instinct, base impulses that cannot be restrained by forethought and morality, actions that are embedded in their very being and drive their every step. We are different.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

Choice doesn't exist. So if your best friend slams ass with your girl, you're not gonna be mad at him?

"Choices don't exist. I had to do it, breh."

 

[Dreamzeedream]

I stick my tongue in her booty

 

[Secure Da Bag]

You right. My genetics force me to do nothing else but go balls deep in that.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

responsibility, choice, guilt,



Those are real my nikka

Can you prove it to me? I swear I'd rather believe in them.

So is it in our genetics to change based on traumatic experiences? I think genetic predisposition is only one part of the equation a la nature + nurture

Traumatic experiences are this: experiences. You don't decide what experience happen to you. So you don't decide to change. You have no power over it.

Don't subscribe to idea that genes play overwhelming role of human developments.Traits, certainly.But saying certain genes predisposes one to certain acts of evil..eh...
Outside of a very parsed, specifc scientific argument on certain psychologocal disorders facilitating impulsive, often behaviors, this gets in the Eugenics territory.
I do however believe in the inherent evil of human nature on a spiritual level, though.

I should have been clearer. I believe that genes play a role, but it would be like 10%, maybe 5% or 20%, of the development. It is impossible to quantify actually. Maybe it will be in the future. Socialisation makes up for the rest of our personalities and actions.

There is nothing more. No place for choice.

Go outside and try that thinking in the real world. See where it leads you to.

That's exactly why I said: it's a lie that is necessary because it's practical. Doesn't mean it's not a lie.

10/10 was not expecting this at all

Nah. Everyday, I make choices according to my own wants, decisions that are instant and others that I've deliberated over days or even weeks to months. Animals moves by instinct, base impulses that cannot be restrained by forethought and morality, actions that are embedded in their very being and drive their every step. We are different.

What makes you choose something over another thing? What makes you take a particular decision that another person wouldn't?

You'll come to the same conclusion as me.

Choice doesn't exist. So if your best friend slams ass with your girl, you're not gonna be mad at him?

"Choices don't exist. I had to do it, breh."

Again: it's a necessary lie to enforce notions such as guilt, responsibility and then justify why we act a certain way. I would cut him off, and her too. Maybe I'll be mad. Doesn't mean that it is rational.

You right. My genetics force me to do nothing else but go balls deep in that.

 

[Dreamzeedream]

Can you prove it to me? I swear I'd rather believe in them.


Traumatic experiences are this: experiences. You don't decide what experience happen to you. So you don't decide to change. You have no power over it.


I should have been clearer. I believe that genes play a role, but it would be like 10%, maybe 5% or 20%, of the development. It is impossible to quantify actually. Maybe it will be in the future. Socialisation makes up for the rest of our personalities and actions.

There is nothing more. No place for choice.


That's exactly why I said: it's a lie that is necessary because it's practical. Doesn't mean it's not a lie.





What makes you choose something over another thing? What makes you take a particular decision that another person wouldn't?

You'll come to the same conclusion as me.


Again: it's a necessary lie to enforce notions such as guilt, responsibility and then justify why we act a certain way. I would cut him off, and her too. Maybe I'll be mad. Doesn't mean that it is rational.

What makes u not believe

 

[invalid]

I took a Philosophy class in college and we covered the topic of Free Will. After extensive research and consideration, I came to the conclusion that Free Will does not exist.

Similar to your argument and what you term as "pre-dispositions", I made the argument that what we call a "choice" or a "decision" are actions based on the influence of a myriad of past choices and decisions that have been encoded in us. In other words, we are biased toward certain actions, that are influenced by past experiences. This negates the idea of an action completely devoid of influence.

 

[Dreamzeedream]

I took a Philosophy class in college and we covered the topic of Free Will. After extensive research and consideration, I came to the conclusion that Free Will does not exist.

Similar to your argument and what you term as "pre-dispositions", I made the argument that what we call a "choice" or a "decision" are actions based on the influence of a myriad of past choices and decisions that have been encoded in us. In other words, we are biased toward certain actions, that are influenced by past experiences. This negates the idea of an action completely devoid of influence.

How does free will not exist