UNKNOWN BURIALS, THAT RUINED GUYS THAT WE FORGET THE BURIAL AND BLAME THEM INSTEAD

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Luger never faced flair in 85 early on breh,.....

Stfu, fool.
You did not even know uwf existed and continue to talk about bullshyt.
Plus you don't even know quality cause you think hogun vs Andre is a good actual workrate based match.

Stfu, nikka and move around.

Everyone has made you their whipping boi and you been tabled by the whole forum in the past few days..plus, no one gives a shyt about you.
So, stfu...move around before you illustrate more emotional hurt and baggage I am compounding on you.
Yousa goofie,...

I never said early 85. They had a match in September of 1986 in CWF at Battle For the Belts III. They didn't have a feud. It was a one off match. A few months later, Lex left CWF for JCP and almost immediately joined the Horsemen. He got kicked out of the Horsemen in the Fall of 1987. He didn't have another singles match with Flair until GAB 1988. Sting joined JCP just a few months after Lex, when Crockett bought the UWF from Watts. This means that when Lex got kicked out of the Horsemen and turned face, Sting had been in the company for months. In fact, they teamed with each other against the Horsemen before Lex went on to a solo feud with Ric.

This mythical pre-Horsemen Lex vs Ric feud doesn't exist. Also lol that I don't know about the UWF when I have 30+ hours of Mid South footage on my site. I also never said Andre/Hogan was a workrate based match at all. I said it has an actual story and execution (specifically pointing out how Andre was immobile but used psychology and story to make up for it), while Savage/Steamboat is a workrate match with high spots and no story. Learn to comprehend what other people write.
 

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she killed herself b.

the thing is i only found out recently is that miss elizabeth was having an affair with lex, i thought they where in a relationship i had no idea lex had a wife and family and miss elizabeth was on some foul shyt.

still the hottest chick in wrestling history :wow:
 

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Wasn't lex on the 700 club talking about being a reformed Christian and some other shyt?
 

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the thing is i only found out recently is that miss elizabeth was having an affair with lex, i thought they where in a relationship i had no idea lex had a wife and family and miss elizabeth was on some foul shyt.

still the hottest chick in wrestling history :wow:


Yet, luger is blamed and buried for liz's death.
While everyone ignores any fault of Liz in general.
When facts expose both dual wrong in their relationship with one another and use of illegal.
Yet luger is given all the blame erroneously.


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I never said early 85. They had a match in September of 1986 in CWF at Battle For the Belts III. They didn't have a feud. It was a one off match. A few months later, Lex left CWF for JCP and almost immediately joined the Horsemen. He got kicked out of the Horsemen in the Fall of 1987. He didn't have another singles match with Flair until GAB 1988. Sting joined JCP just a few months after Lex, when Crockett bought the UWF from Watts. This means that when Lex got kicked out of the Horsemen and turned face, Sting had been in the company for months. In fact, they teamed with each other against the Horsemen before Lex went on to a solo feud with Ric.

This mythical pre-Horsemen Lex vs Ric feud doesn't exist. Also lol that I don't know about the UWF when I have 30+ hours of Mid South footage on my site. I also never said Andre/Hogan was a workrate based match at all. I said it has an actual story and execution (specifically pointing out how Andre was immobile but used psychology and story to make up for it), while Savage/Steamboat is a workrate match with high spots and no story. Learn to comprehend what other people write.


So why do you keep talking about sting like you know what occurred.
When you never cited sting in the uwf.
Plus you were not cognitve.
Your whole shyt is bullshyt and that is why you exposed in that threads and this one you did not know what you were talking about.

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Luger and koloff could have easily been marketed and booked to win the title and give them their baby face champion in 85-86 and definitely by 88.
Also, I notice since you WERE NOT cognitive
I also notice you don't know about flair influence of the book.
Or as the actual booker or former booker and booking committee member to hold younger talent back from drawing paydays as well.
It is one of the basis of clique rules that hall learned exclusively from flair when hall was flair's understudy.
Just like Austin at one point was flair understudy and by way of being the larger draw is also known as the protege of flair.
Yet, scsa was not as crippling to the book quality wise.
Which eventually scsa's knowledge of booking is what lead to him taking his ball and going home when errantly booked and feeling he was being phased out and Austin knew all about how to maneuver out of that environment without damaging his character perception /convincability and also his draw.
Now, stro is just talking out his ass,... As he has illustrated on this board he is not a quality in the know mark trying ro learn to be smart. He is just some jackass troll. Trying ro siphon erroneously off buggs talking points which I welcome because they factually have a basis of inquisition and are interesting in rant and discussion. Buggs I will give props to because you actually presented an area of talking points and comparative intrigue and knowledge about the product from study which I recognized but I could easily tell was not cognitive about the product from a grassroots FA perspective. Of which I have always provided more accurately.
than most so called wrasslin journalist and just like those so-called wrasslin journalist.
I also provided rants to illustrate my mastery of discussion of the business of wrasslin.
Plus showcased I did not have a disconnect in product they way the so-called wrasslin journalist did.
Plus I showed no bias, and talked about the product from an actual quality standpoint with the fan perception/convinability accurately as well. Buggs good discussion, glad to merc you out on it but don't let that goofball stro latch onto your talking points with is troll schtick or any troll for that matter.
Make him move around off your points and tell him you don't need his bullshyt posting trying to cosign like some bad henchmen adlibs from the two cons In jail in trading places saying yeah.


Let's just get back to this, which is Luger, the main point of this thread. This is just where I completely disagree, they could not have easily been booked to that level because Crockett did not have the marketing or promotional smarts of Cokeboy. That's not any bias, I am a wrestling fan, no bias to any one brand or the other. Looking back at this era I much prefer watching NWA. But we cannot pretend like Crockett had anywhere near the production values, marketing knowledge or star-making ability that Vince and WWF had. Vince did more to make Luger a star in 1993 than NWA/WCW EVER did at any point in his career, and Vince never even put a title on him.

THAT IS WHY I keep bringing up Sting, because you are saying they should have let Luger run with the ball. What I am saying is they did that with Sting in 90, and nothing changed. That's not Sting's fault, that's NWA's fault. If Vince got his hands on a guy like Sting in 1990 I guarantee you he would have been a major draw in wrestling. So if they couldn't turn Sting into a Hogan-caliber rival, there's no possible way it would have worked with a guy like Luger who was less charismatic, less unique looking, and worse in the ring than the Stinger.

I realize Flair had booking influence, again, nobody is denying that. It was early Cena syndrome. NWA had a proven draw and were too scared to strap the rocket to anyone else's back, but it's not like they had a lot of options. Magnum TA got hurt, Kerry Von Erich was just a mess, Steamboat was winding down and wanting to retire even in 89.

Look, I'll say again, Luger shoulda got a run with the strap. But losing to Flair did nothing to hurt his overness or status on the card. If Luger got the strap in 88 I don't think the fate of NWA would have changed in the least bit. What killed him was Flair leaving in 91. Luger finally got his title run but he never got over Flair, which was the one thing his fans were waiting for. By the time he got the title in 91, Flair was gone and nobody really cared about WCW at that point.
 

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Let's just get back to this, which is Luger, the main point of this thread. This is just where I completely disagree, they could not have easily been booked to that level because Crockett did not have the marketing or promotional smarts of Cokeboy. That's not any bias, I am a wrestling fan, no bias to any one brand or the other. Looking back at this era I much prefer watching NWA. But we cannot pretend like Crockett had anywhere near the production values, marketing knowledge or star-making ability that Vince and WWF had. Vince did more to make Luger a star in 1993 than NWA/WCW EVER did at any point in his career, and Vince never even put a title on him.

THAT IS WHY I keep bringing up Sting, because you are saying they should have let Luger run with the ball. What I am saying is they did that with Sting in 90, and nothing changed. That's not Sting's fault, that's NWA's fault. If Vince got his hands on a guy like Sting in 1990 I guarantee you he would have been a major draw in wrestling. So if they couldn't turn Sting into a Hogan-caliber rival, there's no possible way it would have worked with a guy like Luger who was less charismatic, less unique looking, and worse in the ring than the Stinger.

I realize Flair had booking influence, again, nobody is denying that. It was early Cena syndrome. NWA had a proven draw and were too scared to strap the rocket to anyone else's back, but it's not like they had a lot of options. Magnum TA got hurt, Kerry Von Erich was just a mess, Steamboat was winding down and wanting to retire even in 89.

Look, I'll say again, Luger shoulda got a run with the strap. But losing to Flair did nothing to hurt his overness or status on the card. If Luger got the strap in 88 I don't think the fate of NWA would have changed in the least bit. What killed him was Flair leaving in 91. Luger finally got his title run but he never got over Flair, which was the one thing his fans were waiting for. By the time he got the title in 91, Flair was gone and nobody really cared about WCW at that point.


I am saying in 88, luger losing how he did.
coupled with the flair promo and the ring sports aesthetic of the product.
Is what hurt luger and flair did bury luger with that definitive match.
Along with the booking committee and brass of the nwa.
as it ruined the idea that luger could win at all.
To the point when luger later got the strap in flair's absence is why it failed.
Which, LIKE WE ARE BOTH SAYING IS THE NWA'S FAULT.

We agree the NWA botched and then hid their hands regardless of owner.
Yet the negative narrative of lex.
that was created from this booking is a burial and it illustrates my point of the thread.

The thread is about blame and placing it accurately.
If you are placing blame on the NWA as well as I am,....
Well why is lex given the narrative of failing.
when he was put in the wrong scenario and booking decisions.
The point of the thread was exposing why luger is blamed and buried when it was not his fault.
Yet that same burial continues to be expanded and expounded upon.
as if luger was to blame.
When it was both flair, the NWA, the booking committe, and later the wwf and later wcw and later Liz.
Who were at fault and not luger.


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Luger was with NWA Florida back in 86 and went to a time limit draw with Flair that Summer..

If this is one of the points being argued.

The other is, the Summer of 88 Flair/Luger fued, went from the Summer all the way thru to the end of 88, with the majority of the single matches ending in DQ with Luger winning. Apart from the match, when the title could change on a DQ, which Flair won. Luger also won like 99.9% of the tag matches involving the 2 that year as well.

Once again not sure if that is the point being made.
 
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I am saying in 88, luger losing how he did.
coupled with the flair promo and the ring sports aesthetic of the product.
Is what hurt luger and flair did bury luger with that definitive match.
Along with the booking committee and brass of the nwa.
as it ruined the idea that luger could win at all.
To the point when luger later got the strap in flair's absence is why it failed.
Which, LIKE WE ARE BOTH SAYING IS THE NWA'S FAULT.

We agree the NWA botched and then hid their hands regardless of owner.
Yet the negative narrative of lex.
that was created from this booking is a burial and it illustrates my point of the thread.

The thread is about blame and placing it accurately.
If you are placing blame on the NWA as well as I am,....
Well why is lex given the narrative of failing.
when he was put in the wrong scenario and booking decisions.
The point of the thread was exposing why luger is blamed and buried when it was not his fault.
Yet that same burial continues to be expanded and expounded upon.
as if luger was to blame.
When it was both flair, the NWA, the booking committe, and later the wwf and later wcw and later Liz.
Who were at fault and not luger.


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I think Luger has that tag on him because of his 1993 run with the WWF more than anything that happened in NWA/WCW. There is a perception that Luger sabotaged himself in 93, whether it's true or not. We'll really never know why Vince didn't put the title on him in 93, but that's the perception people have. When you have a guy with the look and physique that Cokeboy drools over, he straps the rocket to your back and YOU STILL don't hit superstardom, that's the #1 thing I think people point to as the reason why Luger's legacy is not considered as a top guy.
 

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Breh, shut yo fake intelligent ass up. It's unanimous on this site that you're a jackass and an idiot. Go read a fukkin thesaurus bytch!


Talk about intelligence and forget to log out the right alias in your fake comedy postings, breh.

nikka not even smart enough to get his own comedy posting right and handle logging in out the account he made for the specific purpose right.
Then deflects his stupidity cause he has schizio issues and lives through an alias.

Get a life...
Oops I am sorry your life is being a transexual online.
using fake accounts on multiple social media platforms.
It is not my fault you not secure enough to have a sex change in real life.
That you live vicariously through you multiple accounts you log into.
To appease the fact you can't afford said sex change currently.
Log off and go man your pay to play glory hole at the truck stop and pay for your sex change breh.

You are wasting your time online, breh.
You supposed to be trying to get your trans operation done and need to be reminded of your priorities to have your sex changed.

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Forgot to log out of your alias....
Expose yourself as a lame alias user with schiz issues, breh.


Filed.


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Get a grip, Fartface, I'm going to have to call the old folk's home to get them to grab you, grandpa.

@Negrodamus is NOT my alias, he is his own man that has called you out and your saying it's ME?!

Fart Barr, you are seriously losing sense of reality
 
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