Umar Johnson comes for Shannon Sharpe. The Hypocrisy.

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1) I must admit that I've never seen him talk about his family immediate family, so please provide the video(s) that allow you to comfortably deduce the dynamics of his family and render an informed opinion about them



26:20 mark he talks about his experience in family court.

This is proof of at least one child and baby mom. I will be back later with more words from Umar himself acknowledging the dynamics of his family.

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No you don't have to go off the the thread, you have access to the innanet. Why not make sure that you are well informed before making disparaging and suggestive statements? Same request is made of media when covering Black folks, but suddenly now it doesn't apply because yall don't like Umar

The context of these discussions concludes only one thing, too many Black people ain't about that pro-Black life, despite all the talk of wanting to defeat white supremacy

Instead of speculating about his personal life, how about providing evidence to prove that his ideology isn't successful. When will any of you Umar critics provide examples that shows a prospering community or group that's not implementing a variation of Umar's ideology. You can't, thus why the darts being flung at his personal life


So a person can have two different baby moms and criticize who someone else married? And the audacity of that man to say Sharpe's marriage choice was a "crime" against his people when he himself had to/is dealing with the judicial system because of the choices he made with his own dikk. You cant make this stuff up.
 

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Compare Umar to Jesus brehs :russ:
how unoe i wasnt riding for shannon?

the point is no matter how good you try to do for people they will always bring you down
jesus is just and extreme example becuase he offered nothing but peace and love with no kind of baggage and he was killed
 
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26:20 mark he talks about his experience in family court.

This is proof of at least one child and baby mom. I will be back later with more words from Umar himself acknowledging the dynamics of his family.

A discussion about concerns and solutions towards ending 'Fatherlessness' and 'Motherlessness' problems that affect communities of people of African descent is being used to support claims for the sole purpose of undermining him, while not knowing who and why his relationship didn't work out. smh

So a person can have two different baby moms and criticize who someone else married? And the audacity of that man to say Sharpe's marriage choice was a "crime" against his people when he himself had to/is dealing with the judicial system because of the choices he made with his own dikk. You cant make this stuff up.
But again, you don't know anything about his personal life. So when are you going to dissect his ideology?
 

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A discussion about concerns and solutions towards ending 'Fatherlessness' and 'Motherlessness' problems that affect communities of people of African descent is being used to support claims for the sole purpose of undermining him, while not knowing who and why his relationship didn't work out. smh
You're being disingenuous here.
I said that I gathered from UMAR himself what his family situation was.
YOU checked me by asking me for proof about the things I wrote about Umar's family dynamic. You correctly asked me to refrain from mentioning his family dynamic until I provided proof.

I post a video of Umar himself acknowledging at least part of what I claimed to be the truth, and you're copping pleas now?

Why not just concede the point?
 
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You're being disingenuous here.
I said that I gathered from UMAR himself what his family situation was.
YOU checked me by asking me for proof about the things I wrote about Umar's family dynamic. You correctly asked me to refrain from mentioning his family dynamic until I provided proof.

I post a video of Umar himself acknowledging at least part of what I claimed to be the truth, and you're copping pleas now?

Why not just concede the point?
If you would've mentioned he has kids, and left it at that. I wouldn't care or request any information

But instead, you are trying to build an argument based on the fact he has kids. An argument that could only be proven if you knew more details than a quick reference he made about going to court. Which is comical because there are various reasons why parents may go to court, but because you have an argument to build, then suddenly it's ok to speculate and draw random conclusions that fit your narrative. In any other discussion, such actions by you would be frowned upon, especially if done by the media
 

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If you would've mentioned he has kids, and left it at that. I wouldn't care or request any information

But instead, you are trying to build an argument based on the fact he has kids. An argument that could only be proven if you knew more details than a quick reference he made about going to court. Which is comical because there are various reasons why parents may go to court, but because you have an argument to build, then suddenly it's ok to speculate and draw random conclusions that fit your narrative. In any other discussion, such actions by you would be frowned upon, especially if done by the media

Disingenuous again. Here is what YOU wrote a few posts above.

1) I must admit that I've never seen him talk about his family immediate family, so please provide the video(s) that allow you to comfortably deduce the dynamics of his family and render an informed opinion about them

1) Understood. So until then, are you able to refrain from using examples that you cannot prove moving forward whether in this discussion or other Umar topics?

You can't move the goalposts while people are paying attention.
 

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how unoe i wasnt riding for shannon?

the point is no matter how good you try to do for people they will always bring you down
jesus is just and extreme example becuase he offered nothing but peace and love with no kind of baggage and he was killed


Fair enough. You're right.
 

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A discussion about concerns and solutions towards ending 'Fatherlessness' and 'Motherlessness' problems that affect communities of people of African descent is being used to support claims for the sole purpose of undermining him, while not knowing who and why his relationship didn't work out. smh


But again, you don't know anything about his personal life. So when are you going to dissect his ideology?


We weren't discussing his ideology. We were discussing someone's credibilty on Black families and ya breh Umar is lackin. Him discussing marriage and Black families is the equivalent of Harvey Weinstein discussing sexual harrassment in Hollywood. They both can present themselves as experts with an opinion, doesn't mean the rest of us will bend over backwards to hear them.
 
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Life is filled with relationship failures, you rebuild, learn, and move on, but not if you're Umar or any pro-Black advocates. They need to live perfect lives for the rest of us to even consider listening, while our own families and friends are products of and/or have experienced failed relationships

Disingenuous again. Here is what YOU wrote a few posts above.

You can't move the goalposts while people are paying attention.

I said that Umar isn't married to any of the mother(s) of his children. He smartly shields his children from the spotlight as well as his personal business. I've gathered info just from his videos that he has 2 children with 2 women and was never married to either of them. Neither of the children live in his household either, from what I've gathered.
If this is the truth, it certainly contradicts his themes and lectures about promoting strong Black families.
This is a bigger red flag that the one he is raising about Shannon Sharpe.
Sharpe doesn't promote himself as anything other than a football player and show host.

1)My exact quote from the previous post is
I've gathered info just from his videos that he has 2 children with 2 women and was never married to either of them

2) A man who bases his lecture circuit on Black family & Black male role models for Black boys and who is not raising his own children in his household certainly raises red flags.

3) No, but the nuclear family is the basis for society..any society. Dr. Johnson knows this better than either of us, yet he has at least two illegitimate children. Neither of the children live with him. Even he would tel you that this isn't an ideal situation.
1)I will bookmark this page and find the videos where he mentioned the existence of his children and the existence of their mothers. Believe it was a BC video after the stripper story. I will eventually find it and post it though.

2)Even Umar would say that his situation is not the ideal one. He's a very well educated man. He's trained in field that can help young men, HOWEVER he's made a series of unwise life choices. These choices contradict his points about strong Black families. He made the choice to create children with women that he wasn't married to. If there's anything that's fractured the Black family unit, it's people deciding to do this.

Again, you talmbowt his kids was not for information purposes but to try to make a larger argument via a series of reaches and reckless speculation, all while not knowing anything about why his relationship failed

The levels that you reached in order to try to discredit him is shameful. Thus why I needed to point out the absurdity of you browsing videos of him trying to do good for Black folks, to get dirt because he said Black people should marry Black people

You went as far as questioning whether a father not raising his kids in his home is a good role model. Furthermore, you saying having a baby mother / baby daddy are legit red flags and are examples of "unwise life choices," despite not knowing why relationship didn't work out. Now imagine the public reaction if some media outlet made such statements

When are you going to dissect his teachings/ideology the same way you're doing now with the kids stuff, that is readily available and doesn't command you to speculate and browse hours of videos for vague references?

We weren't discussing his ideology. We were discussing someone's credibilty on Black families and ya breh Umar is lackin. Him discussing marriage and Black families is the equivalent of Harvey Weinstein discussing sexual harrassment in Hollywood. They both can present themselves as experts with an opinion, doesn't mean the rest of us will bend over backwards to hear them.

Your comfort with speculating about his personal life, while making the choice to be willfully ignorant about his ideology, is a red flag about your motivations to undermine Dr. Johnson
 
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