UGANDA..THE RETURN (Indian related)

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Expulsion of Asians from Uganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia On 4 August 1972, the then President of Uganda, Idi Amin, ordered the expulsion of his country's Indian and Pakistani minority, giving them 90 days to leave Uganda.[1] Amin said that he had had a dream in which God told him to order the expulsion.
The ethnic cleansing of Indians in Uganda was conducted in an Indophobic climate in which the Ugandan government claimed that the Indians were hoarding wealth and goods to the detriment of indigenous Africans and "sabotaging" the Ugandan economy.[2]
Former British colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa have many citizens of South Asian descent. They were brought there by the British Empire from British India to do clerical work in Imperial service, or unskilled/semi-skilled manual labour such as construction or farm work. In the 1890s, 32,000 labourers from British India were brought to East Africa under indentured labour contracts to work on the construction of the Uganda Railway. Most of the surviving Indians returned home, but 6,724 decided to remain in East Africa after the line's completion.
Many Indians in East Africa and Uganda were in the sartorial and banking businesses, where they were employed by the British. Since the representation of Indians in these occupations was high, stereotyping of Indians in Uganda as tailors or bankers was common. Asians had significant influence on the economy, constituting 1% of the population while receiving a fifth of the national income. Gated ethnic communities served elite healthcare and schooling services. Additionally, the tariff system in Uganda had historically been oriented toward the economic interests of Asian traders. [3]
Indophobia in Uganda pre-dated Amin, and also existed under Milton Obote. The 1968 Committee on "Africanization in Commerce and Industry" in Uganda made far-reaching Indophobic proposals. A system of work permits and trade licenses was introduced in 1969 to restrict the role of Indians in economic and professional activities. Indians were segregated and discriminated against in all walks of life.[4]
After Idi Amin came to power, he exploited pre-existing Indophobia and spread propaganda against Indians involving stereotyping and scapegoating the Indian minority. Indians were stereotyped as "only traders" and "inbred" to their profession. Indians were labelled as "dukawallas" (an occupational term that degenerated into an anti-Indian slur during Amin's time), and stereotyped as "greedy, conniving", without any racial identity or loyalty but "always cheating, conspiring and plotting" to subvert Uganda. Amin used this propaganda to justify a campaign of "de-Indianization", eventually resulting in the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of Uganda's Indian minority.[4]
This expulsion of an ethnic minority was not the first in Uganda's history, the country's Kenyan minority having been expelled in 1969.[5]

Invariably this and Amins poor economic policies triggered economic failure and cost him the support of the British so he had to turn to the Arabs for financial and military support and Ghadaffi and the Saudis kept him going but his foolish invasion of Tanzania was what ended his rule..he lost the war and the tanzanian troops pushed back all the way to his presidential palace and overthrew him


:ehh:an article by an indian columist..this is pretty spot on
The Asian population of Africa is a small but significant minority. Whereas there have been Asians, primarily merchants, who lived on the east coast of Africa for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, a great influx of Asians came to Africa during the British colonial period. Asians in Africa are primarily from the Indian subcontinent, although there is a small proportion, perhaps 2 percent, who are from China.

A combination of famines in India and plentiful opportunities for work in Africa prompted thousands of Indians to immigrate to east, central, and southern Africa before the end of the nineteenth century. It was the British colonial interests that provided the opportunities for Indian immigration, particularly the building of the Uganda Railway. Local African labor was considered unreliable, so the British government brought in about 32,000 indentured laborers from India. The majority either died from diseases such as blackwater fever or returned to India, but 7,000 settled in East Africa. During the construction of the railway, some Indians began to come in as merchants and to establish dukas (shops), which initially catered to fellow Indians. After the end of the railway construction, merchant immigration from India continued until the 1920s, by which time the entire retail trade of East Africa was monopolized by Indians.

During the colonial period, Asians (Indians) in East and Central Africa came to occupy the middle rung of a three-tiered hierarchial system. Europeans, particularly the British, occupied the top level of the social, political, and economic pyramid, and Africans occupied the bottom level. Social apartheid in some countries, such as Kenya, was nearly as rigid as it was in South Africa. Although some Asians were able to compete with Europeans in the professions, by far the greatest numbers were retail traders who had shops in small towns, or were artisans, clerks, or bureaucrats on limited salaries. They couldn't compete seriously with Europeans, but in African eyes, Indians always seemed to occupy all the positions to which ambitious Africans with a little education might aspire.

The Asians were a very visible minority. Their skin color, in the mid-range of the colonial scale of color prejudice, set them off from both Europeans and Africans. Likewise, their distinctive style of dress, the smell of their cooking, the sound of their language and music, the architecture of their churches—and, generally speaking, their entire culture—were very distinct from both African and European cultures.

Rural Indian shopkeepers became somewhat Africanized and urban Indians became somewhat Anglicized, but, for the most part, Indians lived among themselves and felt culturally superior to Africans. The Indians as a group were fairly homogeneous; they came mostly from Gujarat and the Punjab, but they represented a microcosm of the diverse Indian culture, with its multiple religious, linguistic, and caste divisions. These internal differences, particularly religious and caste distinctions, tended to divide the Indian minority. The same caste or religious group maintained closer ties with their small group in other parts of Africa, or back in India, than they did with their Indian neighbors from different castes or religions.

Political independence for the countries where Indians were living brought new problems for the Indians. First, Asians were pushed out of rural areas, then, more gradually, out of the urban areas. Their exodus from the cities was slower because Asians occupied 30 to 40 percent of all key managerial, clerical, technical, professional, and skilled manual jobs. They were not easily replaceable, but there was clear political pressure, created by years of resentment against Asians, to force them out of trade and middle-echelon jobs.

In Kenya and Tanzania, to avoid economic disruptions, Asians were forced out gradually; in Uganda, however, they were expelled more quickly and dramatically. When Idi Amin took over Uganda in 1971, he simply ordered all Asians out of the country, forcing 80,000 of them to leave without their assets. In 1968 there were 345,000 Asians residents in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Malawi, and Uganda. By 1984, according to the Minority Rights Group (1990), their numbers had fallen to about 85,000, which included 40,000 in Kenya, 20,000 in Tanzania, 3,000 in Zambia, 1,000 in Malawi, and 1,000 in Uganda. Although these numbers may be overestimates (Grimes 1988; Thobani 1984), it seems clear that many Asians left East and Central African countries after those countries achieved political independence.

The situation of Asians in South Africa was in many ways very similar that of Asians in East and Central Africa, with some important distinctions, primarily the government-sanctioned policy of apartheid, which subsumed Asians in a category like "Coloureds." Unlike the East and Central African Asians, the South African Asians are primarily (90 percent) descendants of indentured laborers, who are now fifth- and sixth-generation South Africans. Like East and Central African Asians, traders followed the indentured Indians to South Africa, established businesses, and attracted other merchant Indians. Also, in a similar way, South African Asians found themselves in the middle of a basically three-tiered hierarchy, with Whites (Europeans) at the top and Blacks (Africans) at the bottom.

Today about 90 percent of Indians are urban, and 85 percent live in Natal. Regional, religious, and caste distinctions have not had a great significance among South African Indians, and as a group they are more cohesive than East and Central African Indians. In the past, distinctions based on mode of entry (indentured versus merchant or passenger Indians) were very divisive, but today the main obstacles to Indian solidarity are variations in wealth. A small number are very wealthy, a larger number are well-off (upper-middle class), and the greatest portion have incomes derived from small-scale trading, low-level clerical occupations, or blue-collar work.

There were about 800,000 Asians in South Africa in 1980 (including about 10,000 Chinese). Despite the stresses of apartheid, South African Indians have not left South Africa in large numbers. With the late twentieth-century dismantling of apartheid, it remains to be seen whether or not they will be squeezed out of their relatively higher economic positions by the predominant African population.



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India has been getting a lot of good free press lately.
 

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India has been getting a lot of good free press lately.
Ill throw this in so we can OD on indians

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underrated flick.

Where was Idi buried, Saudi?

Museveni said hell no...Amin was buried in KSA the last i knew..the last king of scotland..he was a complicated man

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I have mixed feelings about this... They have to change their business practices in Africa. Unlike the past nepotism and corruption should not be tolerated. Also Indian citizens in African countries should start investing back into these countries and show some sort of national pride.

I saw a list of Kenyan top earners off the stock Market and it is 50% Indian yet they are not even that much in terms of population. A lot of them are also rich off holdings from generations going back to colonialism. The top earner sitting on mineral wealth that should belong to the country.

Sorry Coli Indians but that's how I see it.
 

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I have mixed feelings about this... They have to change their business practices in Africa. Unlike the past nepotism and corruption should not be tolerated. Also Indian citizens in African countries should start investing back into these countries and show some sort of national pride.I saw a list of Kenyan top earners off the stock Market and it is 50% Indian yet they are not even that much in terms of population. A lot of them are also rich off holdings from generations going back to colonialism. The top earner sitting on mineral wealth that should belong to the country.

Sorry Coli Indians but that's how I see it.

Remember though even the black Africans didnt start from the same point Alot of the wealthy black elite are also sitting on colonial wealth from the British..the indians grew their wealth rapidly because many of them were educated merchants and contractors so they founded industries and retail operations since they had the skills while most of the wealthier africans were wrangling over consolidating political power ..not to say there hasnt been corruption by indian africans but to be honest most of the corruption is done by the black African plutocrats.

Its disingenuous to say that the indians who have been running industries and supermarket chains are harming the economy they depend on somehow when the bourgeois Black Africans are the ones with the political power ..so who is really behind the corruption and nepotism

The Black African cabinet minister who appoints his incompetent thieving family members to key administrative positions

Or the Indian Industrial tyc00n who appoints his family to key positions in his own company

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man the Chinese go to Africa, buy up all the resources and import all the workforce and stuff

at least Indians go and work in the local environment to some degree

I need to go out there and see what's poppin :obama:
 

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man the Chinese go to Africa, buy up all the resources and import all the workforce and stuff

at least Indians go and work in the local environment to some degree

I need to go out there and see what's poppin :obama:

The Chinese ain't innocent either... They are crazy aggressive out there, even fighting for turf with local roadside fruit vendors :snoop:
 

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:snoop: Most of them where Indians from the U.K + other British colonies and not from actually from India.
 

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Indians shouldn't be in Africa at all. Idi Amin did the right thing:
"In Kenya and Tanzania, to avoid economic disruptions, Asians were forced out gradually; in Uganda, however, they were expelled more quickly and dramatically. When Idi Amin took over Uganda in 1971, he simply ordered all Asians out of the country"
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Damn right. Go back to your own country and exploit your own people.
 

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man the Chinese go to Africa, buy up all the resources and import all the workforce and stuff

at least Indians go and work in the local environment to some degree

I need to go out there and see what's poppin :obama:

Ultimately neither Chinese nor Indians are wanted or necessary in Africa. They are lesser evils -- but evil neverheless. Both Chinese and Indians are anti-black colonial types.
 
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