UFC 216 [10/7] "Birth Of A Superstar" (Lee/Ferguson, Mighty Mouse/Borg)

[TheDarceKnight]

Lee needs to lose some muscle mass & work on his cardio

I think he said he may be going up to 170 after this.

I'm late but thanks for the links guys.

Lee/Ferg was a great grappling match, went about how I expected

Likewise. I've seen some armchair quarterbacking over Tony's triangle. Here's a cool video from one of Eddie Bravo's black belts, explaining why Tony did not move Lee's arm across the body.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Embarrasing reaction from Lee.

Honestly I agree but I also think he's young and was just really emotional overall, from before the fight, throughout the fight, and after. I think he'll mature, but outside of the ring and in the ring. I think he put a little too much effort into trying to finish the fight quickly, instead of pacing himself. Granted, he had a tough weight cut and staph.

Lee will get to the top eventually, whether it's 155 or 170. That guy is for sure a star and is going to only get better.

Props to Tony for staying calm and composed. After RDA, I think Ferguson has the best resume in 155 history at this point, even over BJ Penn. 10 consecutive wins, with 7 finishes, over a murderer's row. I love Darce chokes (if you couldn't tell by the screen name) so I've been a fan of his since the start of his streak at UFC 166 where he nailed that baseball slide darce on Mike Rio. I'm also an Eddie Bravo fan, so I'm happy for Tony.

I really think that Tony can beat Conor. It's an interesting match up. Tony has an amazing chin but has never fought someone with power like Conor, and he lets himself get hit too much IMO.

On the other hand, Conor has a habitual issue of gassing (for at least a little bit) after 8-12 minutes, and Tony has incredible cardio and endurance. If he can whether that storm, and especially if he can get Conor to the floor (at any point during the fight), then Conor is in trouble.

An x-factor to me is that even though so many of Tony's fights end on the floor, they usually get there from the opponent shooting or by Tony snapping them down. He doesn't really shoot for takedowns, and does more snap downs and clinch work. Another x-factor is that Dillon Danis (Conor's BJJ coach) specializes in darces, guillotines, and anaconda chokes. So he will be able to prep Conor for Tony's front headlock series about as good as anyone.

I'm excited for that one.

 

[OfTheCross]

No his azz should be fighting at 170

How the hell you weigh in at 155 and fight at 185?

Dude is nuts

how you figure he's 185 ?

 

[LinusCaldwell]

With DJ, it's the last generation that he completely wiped out without a chance to earn UFC accolades that I think gets thrown under the bus. Pre-addiction Mccall was a problem, Torres went out on his shield which made a lot of heads forget what he was in his prime and Joe Benavidez has beaten every great 125'er put in front of him besides DJ (only other losses were competitive bouts with Cruz whose a first ballot HOF'er too). Kid Dynamite was already on his way down when DJ got to him but that's another ATG of the smaller weight classes imo. The next gen is harder to measure but I think Cejudo and Horiguchi are well on their ways to being 125 standouts who run over by MM. So all in all, I think DJ's resume won't get credit for years and might even suffer the GSP/Anderson Silva effect where now years later, smoking Nate Marquardt or KO'ing Vitor Belfort looks less impressive because those guys fell off but kept on fighting.

I hear you. It's just the knock of the accolades of the fighters he's fought. It's nothing against him. He can't control it.

 

[storyteller]

I hear you. It's just the knock of the accolades of the fighters he's fought. It's nothing against him. He can't control it.

Yeah I feel you, but it's a rock and a hard place. The only way for these guys to get the accolades would be for him to lose, so none of those guys will get their due. This happened to Aldo and Barao for a while too, they had to rely on names dropping to their division because their own dominance had downplayed any opponents coming up the pipeline. He's gonna be underrated until former champs drop to his division or until he loses his dominance and the younger guys (borg, cejudo, horiguchi) start playing hot potato with the belt.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Yeah I feel you, but it's a rock and a hard place. The only way for these guys to get the accolades would be for him to lose, so none of those guys will get their due. This happened to Aldo and Barao for a while too, they had to rely on names dropping to their division because their own dominance had downplayed any opponents coming up the pipeline. He's gonna be underrated until former champs drop to his division or until he loses his dominance and the younger guys (borg, cejudo, horiguchi) start playing hot potato with the belt.

Yeah and no Aldo had WEC so did Barao... Mighty Mouse....

 

[aceboon]

how you figure he's 185 ?

He said he weighed that much fight day

 

[TheDarceKnight]

He said he weighed that much fight day

He got up from 154.5 to 185 in just over 24 hours?

 

[aceboon]

He got up from 154.5 to 185 in just over 24 hours?

If he really weighed that much then he probably walks around at 190, dude needs to just fight at 170, bytching about a 165lb division when u this heavy is ridiculous. Gonna be interesting watching these MMA fighters get old considering what they do to their bodies with these weight cuts, shyt can't healthy longterm.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

If he really weighed that much then he probably walks around at 190, dude needs to just fight at 170, bytching about a 165lb division when u this heavy is ridiculous. Gonna be interesting watching these MMA fighters get old considering what they do to their bodies with these weight cuts, shyt can't healthy longterm.

Jesus. Yeah friend, someone is going to have to die or have a serious medical emergency for this shyt to be taken seriously. Khabib had to go to the hospital and it didn't make a difference. What these guys are doing is insane. I think there should be some sort of limit. Like once you sign a deal for a fight, you have to do your camp no more than 15 lbs over the fight weight. Something like that.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

This was the 1st time I viewed a UFC card in its entirety and I can finally say UFC>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing. Its just so many different styles. Kevin Lee is better than I thought he would be, but Ferguson is just so experienced, and with that comes composure.

I want to see Ferguson/Conor over Nate/Conor. If Conor can just keep up the pace, Diaz stands stands no chance. But his cardio is shyt, so Diaz could win

 

[Master Teacher]

If he really weighed that much then he probably walks around at 190, dude needs to just fight at 170, bytching about a 165lb division when u this heavy is ridiculous. Gonna be interesting watching these MMA fighters get old considering what they do to their bodies with these weight cuts, shyt can't healthy longterm.

Thats because 170 pounders walk around over 200 lmao, so he has to cut down if he wants to compete

Rumble johnson use to be at 170 lmao

 

[75 Others]

This was one of the best cards of the year

I dig UFC events with mostly finishes

Analysis:

Pearl Gonzalez can get the D

Fabricio always trying to throw hands instead of submitting folks always baffles me
Dude is legit on the of the greatest submissions of the HW division, yet wants to dirty box and strike


Might Mouse is hands down the GOAT, but I see people dismissing his dominance due to his height and weight. I can give a fukk less, dude is a beast


Impressive win by Ferguson, although Lee held his own. Lee needs to move up to WW ASAP, I think he can be the champ of that division in due time

 

[newarkhiphop]

they calling it the mousetrap

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Mighty Mouse needs to move up to a division that matters.