U.S. Drone Strike Said to Have Killed Ayman al-Zawahri, Top Qaeda Leader

[mastermind]

I mean, this guy is living to a ripe old age and advised Hillary fukking Clinton up through her presidential run.

Welcoming War Crimes: The Normalization of Henry Kissinger | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

When the IOP invites Henry Kissinger to the Harvard Kennedy School with no representation of opposition views, they are doing more than “hosting a conversation.” They are providing a platform for the insidious belief that the lives of others, particularly those of poor people of color in the...

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HRW: Community: Review of The Trial of Henry Kissinger

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Henry Kissinger's genocidal legacy: Vietnam, Cambodia and the birth of American militarism

Nixon introduced us to permanent, extrajudicial war in Southeast Asia, and it continues today in the Middle East

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If Vietnam was able to drop a knife cutting drone on Kissenger’s head, I think @Pressure would protest any potential military action thr US would In response by saying, “KISSINGER WAS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!”

shyt, Afghanistan was able to do similar to Obama, i‘m sure he would approve of their actions.

 

[mastermind]

And this is what passes for "Higher Learning" nowadays.

These guys don’t read and if you look deep, most of these posters world and political history start when Obama was inaugurated. Anything that happened before that didn’t happen, except 9/11.

 

[88m3]

Answer the question, if Russia or China dropped drone strikes targeting an American they consider a criminal in America, how would you react? Would that be justice? Would those nations killing an American in America who they consider a terrorist be called justice Under your terms?

Is that what is happening with Russia and China?

I don't think Russia and China have any issues with liquidating people they deem terrorists at home and abroad. I read the news you know.

One of the guys that the US is offering in exchange for the Brittney Griner who is a black American basketball player that is being held hostage by Russia was an FSB asset who murdered a Chechen dissident in Berlin.

 

[mastermind]

Is that what is happening and Russia and China?

I don't think Russia and China have any issues with liquidating people they deem terrorists at home and abroad. I read the news you know.

My guy, you struggle with reading comprehension. Slow down and read it again because you missed it.

 

[88m3]

My guy, you struggle with reading comprehension. Slow down and read it again because you missed it.

seems like you can't see the forest for the trees


I don't think there is anything wrong with calling out the power dynamics at play but don't for a second think that the other world powers are using a different rule book.

 

[mastermind]

seems like you can't see the forest for the trees


I don't think there is anything wrong with calling out the power dynamics at play but don't for a second think that the other world powers are using a different rule book.

again, how would your reaction to that happening In the US? Would it be justice?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If Vietnam was able to drop a knife cutting drone on Kissenger’s head, I think @Pressure would protest any potential military action thr US would In response by saying, “KISSINGER WAS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!”

"Kissinger micromanaged the most brutal international act of the entire Nixon administration. He personally approved the bombing of over 2000 targets in Laos and Cambodia. It was an escalation of bombings that began under Johnson illegally, without any congressional approval. Ultimately, this was done for nothing. The entire bombing campaign happened because Nixon had interfered with peace talks the Johnson administration began in 1968. (A fact not confirmed until 2017). It was to intimidate the Vietnamese in a peace negotiation but had no practical effect on the eventual US withdrawal. The terms that Nixon secured to leave Vietnam were almost the same as the terms Johnson was close to reaching in the run up to the 1968 Presidential election.

The sheer size of the campaign was alarming in itself. The US dropped nearly a million more tons in those 2 countries than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. More alarmingly, these were targeted at innocent civilians. The results were absolutely devastating, leaving 30 percent of the country homeless and killing 500,000."



Kissinger personally, directly, approved the killing of 100x more Cambodians alone than people Osama ever killed in his entire life. And overthrew Cambodia's prime minister, leading to the Pol Pot regime which killed MILLIONS more. All when we weren't even at war with Cambodia. That's not even including the hundreds of thousands killed due to him in Laos and Vietnam, the genocides he co-signed in East Timor and Bangladesh, and the reign of terror he helped Pinochet set up. Not to mention his direct influence on numerous more violent acts by the administrations he advised afterwards, including the Iraq War.

If Kissinger isn't brought to justice, what will @Pressure do? He doesn't give a shyt. He doesn't care about human lives, he doesn't care about evil acts, he doesn't care about war crimes. All he cares about is rah rahing for American belligerance and violence, no matter what the costs, and insisting that war is the only way (at least whenever his political masters tell him it was right).



And at @88m3 trying to run with, "Russia and China do it so why can't we???" These people are fukking facists trying to claim moral authority.

 

[88m3]

again, how would your reaction to that happening In the US? Would it be justice?

That isn't going to happen for a number of reasons but mainly because we have diplomatic and legal solutions available to them to actually seek recourse.

When China or Russia choose they will send teams to kill people on the ground. They've done so throughout the West.

 

[88m3]

And at @88m3 trying to run with, "Russia and China do it so why can't we???" These people are fukking facists trying to claim moral authority.

You're lying already. I'm pointing out that his hypothetical is already happening just under a different guise. Shame on you

 

[mastermind]

That isn't going to happen for a number of reasons but mainly because we have diplomatic and legal solutions available to them to actually seek recourse.

When China or Russia choose they will send teams to kill people on the ground. They've done so throughout the West.

You still won’t answer the question.

 

[88m3]

You still won’t answer the question.

The question doesn't make sense.

 

[Pressure]

Answer the question, if Russia or China dropped drone strikes targeting an American they consider a criminal in America, how would you react? Would that be justice? Would those nations killing an American in America who they consider a terrorist be called justice Under your terms?

Is that what is happening with Russia and China?

I don't think Russia and China have any issues with liquidating people they deem terrorists at home and abroad. I read the news you know.

One of the guys that the US is offering in exchange for the Brittney Griner who is a black American basketball player that is being held hostage by Russia was an FSB asset who murdered a Chechen dissident in Berlin.

OBL is Saudi.
AZ Egyptian.
Both Terrorists.
Imagine a scenario where America is shielding foreign born terrorists from Justice on US soil. Then imagine Americans being upset if they were killed here considering our response to Jamal Khashoggi.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Speaking of Kissinger....

Kissinger suggests that Ukraine give up territory to Russia, drawing a backlash. (Published 2022)

The former secretary of state argued that ceding land could bring an end to the war. Critics called the idea reckless and unrealistic.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissinger-ukraine-russia-territory-davos/

I searched but I can't find the @88m3 thread claiming the modern neoliberal worldview is totally broken. I guess if Chomsky says it it defines all socialists, but if Kissinger says it then its just his opinion even though Kissinger has been 100x more influential on American leaders all the way to the present than Chomsky ever has?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

None whatsoever.

Not surprising the same two guys who wondered why they came across as Russian imperialism sympathizers are now wondering why they come across as terrorist sympathizers with these crazy arguments.

Making wild, idiotic claims with no evidence, then claiming that the fact that you made such claims thereby implies there is truth to them, is one of the most ignorant lines of argument I can imagine.


Every single claim y'all tried to use to source those attacks was proven to be a complete lie. Lied and said I was against Russian sanctions when I strongly supported the fullest sanctions from the beginning. Lied and said I didn't criticize Russian imperialism when I criticized it strongly from the beginning. Lied and said that I claimed Ukraine had made its own bed when I had NEVER blamed Ukraine for any part of the Russian invasion.

In this very thread you lied and claimed I supported "doing nothing" when I have never said such a thing. Lied and claimed I was in support of inaction when I detailed an involved, explicit plan for action. Lied and said I was a terrorist sympathizer when I have NEVER supported any part of bin Laden's agenda or sympathized with him in any way.


Your entire line of reasoning, throughout the thread, is based entirely on lies, ignorance, and ad hominems. You have clearly never studied any of the history, never studied any geopolitics, never once tried to inform yourself on any of these issues, and yet pretend you know everything and can lecture others solely by repeating the talking points of your political allies. You cosigned @ill and Napoleon when they openly lied about the situation, and then brushed it away as irrelevant when their lies were proven false. You have zero desire for information, for truth, for integrity, or for preserving human life. You'll happily just repeat whatever talking points support "your side" and figure that's enough, because your side is always right.



You've said before that your best friend is a wealthy Trump supporter, and suggested that's hard to understand. I don't see why it would be. You both come to your positions the exact same way.

 

[Pressure]

Making wild, idiotic claims with no evidence, then claiming that the fact that you made such claims thereby implies there is truth to them, is one of the most ignorant lines of argument I can imagine.

The claim is simple:
The US was well within its right as a nation and a UN member to take action against OB and AL.

Sorry you don't like it. And nothing you've shown undermines the idea that killing these terrorists on foreign soil was morally wrong or an encroachment that isn't back with plenty of precedent.


Instead of merely answering, what would you would have done, you have polluted this discourse into your utopian thoughts of how you want the world to be instead of how we operate in the world today. You had a spark when you started, but now .


You've been exposed as the fraud you are. Out here claiming inglewood when you grew up 50 miles away (around nothing but white people).