Kobe, Magic and Jordan had fathers in their lives....never underestimate that consistent male presence....even Jordan discusses the importance of having a father to turn to for advice when he was getting mollywhopped by the Knicks
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Tyronn Lue basically told on Bron during that ABC interview last night
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Kobe, Magic and Jordan had fathers in their lives....never underestimate that consistent male presence....even Jordan discusses the importance of having a father to turn to for advice when he was getting mollywhopped by the Knicks
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feelosofer
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Lue is clearly not Brons puppet.
You're really reaching. Y'all really like seeing these black players being submissive to these mostly white coaches don't you?
The whole idea of being humble and submissive as a black player has its roots in racism but you can tell it otherwise
This might be the worst post of the year
LordTaskForce
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We have guys bashing Bron because he grew up in a single parent household and you get mad that I point out a real truth in sports that has historical support.
Breh the premise is ridiculous, a coach is there to coach, a player is paid to follow the coaches instruction, yes it's the simple
mbewane
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I don't totally buy it. Everyone makes fun of the Cavs but it's really because they were getting beaten by Chicago often (who wasn't?) but they were a solid team in the 90s. Daugherty, Price, G. Wilkins, Ehlo (yes, Ehlo), Larry Nance, Young Ron Harper...all of those guys could play. Even the Terrel Brandon era Cavs were making the playoffs. The were nowhere near to a championship, but they were not the laughing stock of the league, more middle of the pack.
And Kobe went to the Lakers before PJ, and Shaq signed after the draft.
They had a short run of being a good team, they were awful when Lebron was drafted and were never considered a good NBA franchise and rightfully so.
And as for Kobe I should've specified the timeline, but I didn't think it mattered much considering the Lakers are hands down one of the greatest franchises in professional sports, and Kobe didn't win anything until Phil got there anyway and he was the 2nd option. Revisionist history likes to paint Shaq and Kobe as 1a and 1b, but anyone who followed the NBA at that time knows Shaq was the clear cut leader of that team. Lebron never had the luxury of being able to play behind someone else.
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So player coaches in sports aren't a thing? By that premise would you say p. manning has control/coach issues? He essentially runs the offense on his own. I would agree with you if the teams that Bron was on were doing terrible...but dude has been in the finals 5 about to be 6 years in a row on two different teams. But the coaches are important in a player central league like basketball right?
kobe was not the 2nd option because he couldnt carry a team. he was made to be 1b, or shaqs batman since shaq was self-proclaimed superman. phil did this for shaq's ego. he has stated pretty much this multiple times. it wasnt about kobe. it was 100% about shaq being a big baby. shaq was like 7 years older than kobe. and shaq was the one throwing all the shade kobes way. shaq use to do that to his teammates too outside of kobe when things didnt go right in a game. even though he bricked 100 ft's in that same game. he wouldnt say "that ones on me." he would blame others. and i'm a shaq fan keep it real with you.
kobe was 1b at minimum. you dont go from being a 2nd option guy to becoming one of the best #1 options of all time. that never happens. to have turned into that world class #1. he was already a #1 placed in handcuffs by his couch for the betterment of the team and shaqs ego.
it worked for 3 rings. so i aint mad at phil for that.
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This
The Cavs were not a laughing stock. They were a solid middle-of-the-pack franchise. They weren't the Clippers or more recently, the Bobcats.
And Kobe was groomed and earned his spot. He never cried his way to LA, it was already decided that he would be drafted then traded to LA if he fell to Hornets. This was a team that had Nick-at-Nite, Eddie, Mr. Flow-on, Elden Campbell...then Magic re-retired, and tried to come back when he found out they were gonna sign Shaq. Kobe was like 6th-7th in order on that team, as a rookie, when HS (especially Gs) weren't the hoopla they are now. And Shaq was the leader (especially after getting everyone else shipped off) and Kobe played his role until it was evident that he wasn't a #2 anymore. And a clear sign of coaching, Kobe reinvented his game like 5 different times.
Lebron never had the luxury because he was given a franchise right out the gate, to do whatever he pleased. He never had to earn anything, because right from the beginning, what Lebron said, goes. You forget that they actually tried building teams around him, and it went to sh!t because he could change him game up to allow for it.
I didn't say Kobe couldn't have been the number 1 option or wasn't talented enough, but he didn't have to be and he wouldn't have been the best go to guy at that point. Shaq was completely unguardable. Again Lebron never had that luxury of playing along side a guy who could score at will. Kobe was an incredible scorer, but Shaq was quite possibly the most dominant force in NBA history. I'm not talking about anything else, I don't care about the beef between them and who started it, just saying that Kobe didn't have anywhere near the pressure that Lebron faced right out the gate, and no other player has. Kobe also had the GOAT franchise to support him, eventually had the GOAT coach, and Shaq to top it all off.
Kobe's first 4 seasons he averaged 7.6 pts, 15.4, 19.9, and 22.5, Lebron didn't have that learning curve, he came into the league needing to be the best player on his team.
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Then you'll proceed to pack your shyt back up and get escorted out the buildingKeeping in mind this man been ballin non stop since high school...if I was bron coach...I'm 6ft and the first thing I would do is get him in my office one on one and look him right in the eye and say yo u the biggest ni$$a on the court and only bad thing I hate is how you cry to the refs like a lor bytch after everytime you think you got fouled...that shyt weak and I don't want rookies seeing that...play ball...I betchu can't even go 10 games without crying to the ref for a call...you need to stop that weak shyt...other than that you good...I fux witchu...
