FrederickDouglas
All Star
the sad thing is...we can. YOU can't tell, I'll pray for you
As for this discussion its pointless. @FrederickDouglas & @Fat Kevin until I see a painting as beautiful as this
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be made by people just splashing paint together...your points are invalid. It does not fly with logic, sorry
As for me trying to figure out what Made Godcan an Ant box with Man? Your or my depth of thought doesn't reach the into the halls of forever like that. Its ludicrous
You don't seem to understand. You say something beautiful requires a creator. By your own logic, then the existence of God is illogical...unless he too had a creator.
You say you won't be presumptuous enough to speculate on the creator of your creator. But why are you presumptuous enough to speculate on your creator, but not his creator? Both of them would hypothetically be far above your head and you have seen neither...yet you casually claim to communicate with your creator through prayer and you throw around phrases like "the halls of forever".
You can't have it both ways. Either beauty requires a maker and if so, the god you worship is just the product of an infinitely more powerful being who ALSO would require a creator who also couldn't exist without a maker etc.
Or beauty does NOT require a maker to exist. Of course, by that logic, this world and all the things in it do not require the existence of any gods.