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In WWE canon, Scott Steiner signed with Raw because Stephanie wouldn't fukk him :mjlol:


This dude's first appearance on Smackdown was doing one of the most aggressive ass slaps/grabs I've ever seen in any medium of Nidia where he pretty much grabbed her a$$hole, and in the attempted contract signing with Smackdown, he grabbed Steph and threw her down on the table and was ready to fukk her in front of the audience right then and there. She wouldn't fukk, so the crowd chants SLUT SLUT SLUT at her and Scott bails on SD.

Not long before this, Bischoff forced himself on her after being dressed up as Vince.:scust:

The amount of bizarre sex shyt Vince has put his daughter into over the years :gucci:


The time the camera was panning up her legs to her ass in the skirt as she was bending over her office desk on smackdown
Vince was probably camera man


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You can make the argument for HHH going over RVD at Unforgiven 2002, but RVD should have won the title in the EC, not HBK. The HHH/HBK feud didn't need the title at all, and HBK's "reign" was literally just the RVD match on Raw that had no finish and then dropping the title back to HHH in the dreadfully boring 3 stages of hell match.

HHH being gifted the title and then losing it the first defense doesn't really make much sense to me. It makes both him and the title look bad, so he had to go over the first challenger. And definitely shouldn't have dropped it to Kane. But if he was going to drop it at the EC, it really shouldn't have been to HBK. In fact HBK's story going into it was he was going to make sure to cost HHH the title, not win it, so the story was already built there for Shawn to hit a superkick followed by RVD hitting a frog splash or something. The HBK/HHH feud and matches would have continued exactly the same without the title. In fact it probably would have made more sense for a true blood feud to not involve the title at all. HHH could have won the title back in January or February and then dropped it to Booker at WM.

OR HHH keeps it the entire time and drops it to Booker at WM. The month detour with HBK having the title added nothing to the story and just held the main event scene hostage which was extra noticeable with no secondary title on the brand at the time. Also :mjlol: the next night HBK comes out dancing and prancing like he didn't have a 50 minute 3 stage match that ended in him falling 20 feet through 4 tables.
 
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The time the camera was panning up her legs to her ass in the skirt as she was bending over her office desk on smackdown
Vince was probably camera man


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On my 98 Nitro shyt, seeing the slow burn on Steiner becoming Big Poppa Pump is fukking great. When he finally turned on Rick, the crowd went ballistic lol. Next night he debuts the blond hair, shyt was a moment. Legit had me marking out like a kid :laff: Scott my nikka forever
 
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On my 98 Nitro shyt, seeing the slow burn on Steiner becoming Big Poppa Pump is fukking great. When he finally turned on Rick, the crowd went ballistic lol. Next night he debuts the blond hair, shyt was a moment. Legit had me marking out like a kid :laff: Scott my nikka forever
Imagine if he had that gimmick and could still go like he could when he was scotty Steiner, he'd be the best wrestler in the world
 

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I blasted through 2002 and have thoughts:


Top matches, not necessarily in order and probably missing a few. There are a LOT of very good TV matches, but I'm just pointing out the matches I think you really should go out of your way to see if you haven't watched this era.

Ric Flair vs Vince McMahon Street Fight Royal Rumble
Rock vs Hulk Hogan WM 18
Undertaker vs Ric Flair WM 18
Kurt Angle vs Undertaker vs Rock Vengeance
Rock vs Brock Lesnar Summerslam
HBK vs HHH Summerslam
Edge/Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit No Mercy
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker Unforgiven
HHH vs RVD Unforgiven
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker HIAC No Mercy
Chris Benoit vs Eddie Guerrero Armageddon
Booker T/Goldust vs Dudley Boys vs Christian/Chris Jericho vs William Regal/Lance Storm Armageddon


Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio Smackdown 9/12/02 (imo better than the Summerslam match)
Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit vs Guerreros Smackdown 10/17/02
Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit vs Guerreros Smackdown 11/28/02
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio Smackdown 11/14/02 (imo their best singles match against each other in WWE)
Chris Benoit/Kidman vs Guerreros Smackdown 12/12/02
Edge/Kidman vs Guerreros Smackdown 12/26/02
Goldust/Booker T vs Chris Jerichio/Christian Raw 12/23/02


These are the ones that really stood out to me as being very high quality, although I am sure I missed/skipped/didn't pay attention to some others. The reality is Smackdown every week from the split on has multiple good TV matches. Pretty much any of the Smackdown six related matches are good, almost all of the cruiserweight matches are fun TV matches, Kidman getting mixed into the SD 6 is always good, literally every match Brock has on SD after winning the title is worth a watch (I think the stand out probably being against Chuck Palumbo), Taker has a similar run of fun TV matches across both brands when he was Universal Champion, HHH has some really solid old school style matches against mid carders on Raw after getting the WHC, and almost all of the Booker/Goldust tags all year long are good. There's the Edge/Angle and Edge/Eddie series that are fondly remembered but Edge doesn't do it for me so I don't really care about them. TLC on Raw, Taker vs Hardy ladder match, etc. All of Rock's TV matches are good (I'd say the ones with Eddie and Angle probably stand out). There's a really solid Austin/Flair match from Raw.


Now, on to booking stuff. It really does feel like a different company at the start of the year to the finish. Pre split was still VERY Attitude Era crash TV, short matches with tons of interference, etc. The presentation changes on both shows after the split, matches become longer (although not nearly as long as modern era) with cleaner finishes more often, there's generally less backstage shenanigans in the sense of big scenes and angle taking place backstage like you got during the Attitude Era. Vince pretty much being absent from TV after June helps with this, although Bischoff and Steph were ALL over the shows and each others shows most of the time anyway, it felt different than it being Vince every week causing trouble. The Undisputed Championship was booked so well, it sucks that it only lasted a few months. Compare that to how the WWE/WHC titles were booked and how Jericho was booked as double champ and it's wild. Both shows were just trying shyt out which led to a LOT of angles, push, and teams being abruptly dropped. Like John Cena getting the big push for 2 against top guys then they just....stopped having him on SD and then had him on Velocity feuding with cruiserweights and Rikishi. Same with Orton, who they gave 4-5 weeks of a good push on TV as a young rising star then just....stopped doing anything with him. You have things like 3MW being the super heavy team to losing handicap matches within 2 months. Teams like HurriKane coming out of nowhere and being dropped just as fast with no angle for either, then Hurricane briefly forming a team with Goldust only for that to get dropped and Goldust go back to teaming with Booker and Hurricane more or less vanishing from Raw the rest of the year.

One thing that really sticks out to me is how many gradual heel/face turns there were throughout the year. There aren't many big shocking turns. Most take place over weeks if not months. Examples: Ric Flair from face owner to heel owner (although his return to face and his return to heel later in the year were both very rushed), Taker's turn from sadistic dikkhead bully heel to patriot to respected vet dapping up the new gen, Booker T going from loser heel to comedy heel to comedy face to pure babyface, Brock's turn from straight muscled up monster to doing some heinous mind games with Taker to getting some respect beaten into him and being humbled into a face to the point Heyman turned on him for it, Benoit's face turn purely from match quality.

I would say Taker is the MVP of the year, by far the best work of his career, and he played so many roles throughout the year from sadistic bully to whiny chicken shyt to big dog of the yard to the respected vet taking younger talent under his wing and all of it was played to perfection. He's really a fulcrum for so many angles and stories throughout the year. His fukking with Flair in part leads to the brand extension. He stirs the shyt in the Undisputed Championship realm the entire time it exists, and he really cements Brock as truly THE MAN after he beats some respect into Brock and pushes him into deep waters Brock had never been to, and Brock came out of it a changed man and wrestler. Kurt Angle is a runner up MVP, maybe more so in some ways but he was used more as an over all utility guy for most of the years and not in as important of a role as Taker was. Physically, I don't think there's ever been a more stud athlete alpha male in any company in any era than Kurt Angle in 2002. He's having good matches against literally everyone, he does comedy angles and promos as good as anyone, he does serious angles and promos as good as anyone, and he can switch back and forth without losing any credibility. However, most of the year he's used just to have good matches, put people over, or be used as filler and foil for other storylines.
 

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Man what the fukk was that main event? :scust: typical Hoegan/WCW/NWO shyt. Macho was red hot, ready for that face turn, he and Hoegan go out there and brawl for 15 minutes straight, both bloody. Booty Man, now bearded up and renamed “The Disciple” comes out to help Hoegan, the two stand awkwardly as they wait to attack Macho who is on top of the cage. For whatever reason, Macho comes down and stands toe to toe with the till Sting comes down from the rafters! Odds are evening up right? Cuz for the past couple weeks they’ve been teasing dissension within the ranks with Hoegan and Mach, so Sting being Sting, he helps fight the good fight. More awkward posturing ensues before Macho inexplicably turns on and clothesline Sting before hitting him with the piledriver. He then spits on Hoegan and leaves the cage while screaming “I DONT LIKE YOU, I NEVER WILL.... but 4 life and all that shyt” and with that we’re out of time, see you tomorrow night for Nitro :troll:

:what: shyt is awful man. What was the point of them kicking each other ass for 15 minutes straight only for Macho to remain in the NWO and remain behind Hoegan’s shadow? I was never a WCW dude in my childhood so a lot of this shyt is pretty new to me, seeing it play out for the first time. Just awful booking man.
 

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Man what the fukk was that main event? :scust: typical Hoegan/WCW/NWO shyt. Macho was red hot, ready for that face turn, he and Hoegan go out there and brawl for 15 minutes straight, both bloody. Booty Man, now bearded up and renamed “The Disciple” comes out to help Hoegan, the two stand awkwardly as they wait to attack Macho who is on top of the cage. For whatever reason, Macho comes down and stands toe to toe with the till Sting comes down from the rafters! Odds are evening up right? Cuz for the past couple weeks they’ve been teasing dissension within the ranks with Hoegan and Mach, so Sting being Sting, he helps fight the good fight. More awkward posturing ensues before Macho inexplicably turns on and clothesline Sting before hitting him with the piledriver. He then spits on Hoegan and leaves the cage while screaming “I DONT LIKE YOU, I NEVER WILL.... but 4 life and all that shyt” and with that we’re out of time, see you tomorrow night for Nitro :troll:

:what: shyt is awful man. What was the point of them kicking each other ass for 15 minutes straight only for Macho to remain in the NWO and remain behind Hoegan’s shadow? I was never a WCW dude in my childhood so a lot of this shyt is pretty new to me, seeing it play out for the first time. Just awful booking man.
That was odd but when was going strong, it was great to watch. I loved the whole Dangerous Alliance run in 92.
 
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