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[Dusty Bake Activate]

Looking at these late 2000 WWF PPVs and remembering why I stopped watching regularly by 01.

It turned more Russo-ish than it was when Russo was there. All these poorly-acted long drawn out soap opera backstage skits for EVERYTHING. All the storytelling is backstage acting, not in the ring. shyt got too gay. I lost interest.

 

[NYChase718]

Looking at these late 2000 WWF PPVs and remembering why I stopped watching regularly by 01.

It turned more Russo-ish than it was when Russo was there. All these poorly-acted long drawn out backstage skits. shyt got too gay. I lost interest.

2000-2001 was Dominated by the mcmahon family. Shane steph vince all over the shows and headline matches

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

2000-2001 was Dominated by the mcmahon family. Shane steph vince all over the shows and headline matches

Yup. I was looking at the recap of Eddie Guerrero and “Mamacita’s” soap opera on Unforgiven 2000 like when did this become wrestling?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Is there anyone that actually LIKES this mid-late 2000 and 2001 Russo WCW stuff?

 

[hazardous]

Is there anyone that actually LIKES this mid-late 2000 and 2001 Russo WCW stuff?

Russo stopped writing Nitro's at the end of September, so it did get marginally better from Oct 2000 until the end.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Russo stopped writing Nitro's at the end of September, so it did get marginally better from Oct 2000 until the end.

I can’t remember the difference too much. I’m revisiting just the PPVs now. I remember WCW mostly sucking from about 99 on. By time Russo was done I think the roster was mostly depleted. They had some newer guys they were trying to build up but it was too late.

 

[NYChase718]

Not sure who was responsible on creative but hardcore division "screamin" norman smiley, the non karate version of the Cat , theres guys like that from that 2000 era that stand out as entertaining

 

[TrueEpic08]

Looking at these late 2000 WWF PPVs and remembering why I stopped watching regularly by 01.

It turned more Russo-ish than it was when Russo was there. All these poorly-acted long drawn out soap opera backstage skits for EVERYTHING. All the storytelling is backstage acting, not in the ring. shyt got too gay. I lost interest.

At least the 1998-1999 Russo stuff was interesting as sheer spectacle. Like, the shows make increasingly less sense as written TV as 1998 becomes 1999, but the core storylines were engaging and somewhat sensible (Austin/McMahon, the rise of the Corporation, Undertaker and Kane's relationship). They hit a creative high point when Kreski was head writer in the first 9 months or so of 2000, but the literal second Stephanie takes over we're in modern RAW territory. shytty, stilted dialogue the wrestlers would never say in years, nonsense storylines reflecting the locker room's internal politics, making half the roster look stupid for no reason, etc. It's shocking how quick the switch is, really.

 

[BlackAchilles]

Dude really blamed his clusterfukk tag Match on marital problems.

It sounded to me more like extended family drama but point taken

Father time doesn't do any jobs

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

At least the 1998-1999 Russo stuff was interesting as sheer spectacle. Like, the shows make increasingly less sense as written TV as 1998 becomes 1999, but the core storylines were engaging and somewhat sensible (Austin/McMahon, the rise of the Corporation, Undertaker and Kane's relationship). They hit a creative high point when Kreski was head writer in the first 9 months or so of 2000, but the literal second Stephanie takes over we're in modern RAW territory. shytty, stilted dialogue the wrestlers would never say in years, nonsense storylines reflecting the locker room's internal politics, making half the roster look stupid for no reason, etc. It's shocking how quick the switch is, really.

That’s what it was? Stephanie? Interesting.

Yeah it’s been 20 years, but I definitely remember around 2000ish thinking wrestling had turned into something I didn’t really recognize anymore and stopped watching.

It still had its great moments but they were getting way more few and far between. What I recall most is an abundance of backstage skits that were more like corny comedic soap operas than the usual backstage wrestling fukkery.

I was recently looking at Unforgiven 2000 and they recapped Eddie Guerrero and his love story with Chyna and there was all these poorly acted sitcom-like skits where they aren’t even acting like wrestlers and the whole thing reminded me why I stopped watching.

Now that you mention in it, a lot of this shyt seems like it was written by a woman. Maybe that’s why it sucked. Wrestling is backwards knuckledragging neanderthal shyt and should be respected as such.

Anyway, I am definitely seeing the difference in the latter 2000 PPVs. I remember Raw and Smackdown just not being that interesting all of a sudden. I was just thinking about how I went from a Monday night stop everything else I gotta watch wrestling guy to becoming totally disinterested in short period of time. In 2001, I had a job where I worked most Monday nights, but by that time I didn’t even care that I was missing Raw.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Starrcade 97

Eddie was cruiserweight champ
Steiners vs NWO

 

[BlackAchilles]

Looking at these 2000 WWF PPVs it’s crazy how much Triple H’s ring skills had already fallen off by time he got his big championship push.

He was a pretty good ring technician around 97-99. By time he became a big musclehead he was fighting like a lumbering big man.

I don't see how u can say that, the Iron Man Match w Rock by itself pretty much says otherwise

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I don't see how u can say that, the Iron Man Match w Rock by itself pretty much says otherwise

Any iron man match will be choreographed well.

The way he moved in the ring was more fluid and his moves were more precise in his aristocrat and DX days. By time he was a roided-up Lex Luger type he started fighting slower and more like a lumbering big man.

 

[stro]

There is not a single blueblood HHH match anyone can point to as a classic or even memorable match beyond the hog pen match, which is memorable for the wrong reasons. I don't really think there are any in the DX days either, but people always seemed to like the matches with Rock in 1998.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

There is not a single blueblood HHH match anyone can point to as a classic or even memorable match beyond the hog pen match, which is memorable for the wrong reasons. I don't really think there are any in the DX days either, but people always seemed to like the matches with Rock in 1998.

Of course his matches weren’t better then cause he wasn’t wrestling top carders and there was no creative imperative to make his matches good if he isn’t doing big main event spots. WWF had no memorable midcard matches during that time period. His in-ring moves were definitely better pre-musclehead.