El Cocodrilo
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TSC Evaluation #61: Goldust
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Mikael Blowpiff
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9 easily. its a shame he never had even a transitional run with a world title.
Solid worker. Smooth in the ring. Interesting gimmick.
Has one of the best scoop slams.
Solid 8
Has one of the best scoop slams.
Solid 8
With a scale of 1-10 how would you rate Goldust in these categories:
-Mic work/promos: 9
-Personality/gimmicks: 10. The original Goldust concept is great. I HATED The Artist Formerly Known As Goldust stuff. He was fat and lazy by that point, but I even liked "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes. Dude had "it" even back in WCW.
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds): 8. He had a couple of fun matches with Vader in WCW (one was on Clash of the Champions, I think), he was putting on some great tag matches with Cody in the last few years, had good feuds with Rude & Austin in WCW, Piper and Razor feuds are classics...
-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores): Originally had him at 8, but fukk it... 9.
2nd greatest WWF character creation behind the Undertaker, too bad Coke Boy never treats him that way. He could've had a world title run in 1996 and would've been a worthy champion sometime in the last 10 years. Got into the best shape of his life and could still be an interesting character. Even at 48, he is being criminally underutilized. He could definitely be IC/U.S. champ. I was hoping that feud with Truth would bring back the classic Goldust vibe, but it looks like they dropped that and he's turned multiple times in a matter of weeks since. I think he could do some interesting stuff with Bray and Balor and I would like to see him do something with Miz (either as opponents or teammates).
-Mic work/promos: 9
-Personality/gimmicks: 10. The original Goldust concept is great. I HATED The Artist Formerly Known As Goldust stuff. He was fat and lazy by that point, but I even liked "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes. Dude had "it" even back in WCW.
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds): 8. He had a couple of fun matches with Vader in WCW (one was on Clash of the Champions, I think), he was putting on some great tag matches with Cody in the last few years, had good feuds with Rude & Austin in WCW, Piper and Razor feuds are classics...
-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores): Originally had him at 8, but fukk it... 9.
2nd greatest WWF character creation behind the Undertaker, too bad Coke Boy never treats him that way. He could've had a world title run in 1996 and would've been a worthy champion sometime in the last 10 years. Got into the best shape of his life and could still be an interesting character. Even at 48, he is being criminally underutilized. He could definitely be IC/U.S. champ. I was hoping that feud with Truth would bring back the classic Goldust vibe, but it looks like they dropped that and he's turned multiple times in a matter of weeks since. I think he could do some interesting stuff with Bray and Balor and I would like to see him do something with Miz (either as opponents or teammates).
astrologybrother
Pro
Let's see.
Longevity
A+ fukkery.
Fruityness made you want to kick his a$$.
Had Razor Ramon mad/shook AF lol.
Good ring skills.
Solid 8.
Gaydust... Anything less would be uncivilized.
Longevity
A+ fukkery.
Fruityness made you want to kick his a$$.
Had Razor Ramon mad/shook AF lol.
Good ring skills.
Solid 8.
Gaydust... Anything less would be uncivilized.
Same. If I rated RKO, Dreamer, and Jarrett a 1, then Brutus is an auto 2 or 3 just for his Disciple gimmick.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
“I once gave Ahmed Johnson mouth to mouth just to get in his head. What do you do MizLet's see.
Longevity
A+ fukkery.
Fruityness made you want to kick his a$$.
Had Razor Ramon mad/shook AF lol.
Good ring skills.
Solid 8.
Gaydust... Anything less would be uncivilized.
?”Total commitment to his character. Guarantee johnson didn’t know about it beforehand either judging by his reaction
Goldust On Which WWE Hall Of Famer Fought Against His Character Backstage - WrestlingInc.com
Recently on E&C's Pod Of Awesomeness, the con-chair-to swinging, Spin Doctors singing, podcasting duo of Edge and Christian welcomed pro wrestling veteran, Goldust, to the show. Among other things, Goldust discussed whether he started WWE's Attitude Era, how he made the leap from 'The Natural' Dustin Rhodes in WCW to WWE's 'Bizarre One', how he developed his character in WWE, and whether Scott Hall, also known as Razor Ramon, had issues with the homoerotic undertones of their feud.
Contrary to popular opinion, Goldust would like to think that his pioneering character kicked off The Attitude Era.
"Well, I would like to think that [the debut of Goldust in WWE sparked The Attitude Era] too. Everybody else thinks that it was DX and all those other groups and things," Goldust said. "If anything, I was the definite edge of the spear into The Attitude Era, I believe, so it was way before its time, the stuff I was doing, and it kind of set the tone for what was to come.
According to Goldust, Vince McMahon and Bruce Prichard called and pitched the "androgynous" character to him following his release from WCW in 1995. Apparently, the grandson of a plumber agreed to the job not knowing what the word 'androgynous' meant.
"Me and my dad, we were kind of not on the best of terms at that point," Goldust noted. "And I had just gotten released from WCW, so it's like I'm sitting at home and Vince [McMahon] calls and he presents this idea, and then, Bruce Prichard on the phone, he presents this idea. He kept saying, 'this is an androgynous character' and I'm just agreeing with him, but I have no idea what the hell that means, so I'm like, 'yeah, sure. I'll give this a try' because I really wanted to try to do something on my own other than the Dustin Rhodes name, try to accomplish something that is fresh and new and then go from there and see if I could do that." Goldust added, "opened up the dictionary and looked to see what 'androgynous' was and I just shook my head. I'm like, 'well, I can't back out now - let's go and just give it my all.'"
During the interview, presumably a Christian get, Goldust divulged that Savio Vega really pushed him to develop his character and credited the Puerto Rican professional wrestler with the idea of rubbing up and down his opponent's chest.
"Savio Vega kept pushing me, pushing me as he was teaching me too, how to be a heel and things. And how to… 'let's just try this tonight: just, we'll lock up, you'll go behind me, rub up and down my chest.' And I'm just like, 'no, man, no,' so finally one night, in The Garden, the first time I did it, and Vince was there. This is when he used to go hang out and watch the shows, the live events, with the boys. He's one of the boys. It was fun for him. And I decided to do it in The Garden and I went behind Savio and I rubbed up his chest and down with both of my hands. And he brushed it away from me and he looked at me and I just ran. I scooted out of the ring and the place just erupted, man. And I was like, 'holy s--t! That was easy!'"
Notably, Goldust shared that Hall "wasn't keen" on the Goldust character and he fought it. 'The Golden One' admitted that having to fight Hall behind-the-scenes was a setback, though everything worked out in the long run.
"Yeah, yeah, Razor wasn't keen on it, man, and he fought it. I'm just trying to get a character over and do what's best for the company, best for business, best for me, and I'm young, so I'm not in other people's point of view sometimes. And even though this business is a work, people take it too seriously. For me, it's probably when I had the most passion for the business and where I did not let the little things get to me, and not care so much about what they're thinking of me, man, just go out there and do what I can do to perform and put on a great performance, whatever. And to have him kind of, to have Razor be kind of a speed bump, it was frustrating, but we got through it and it ended with a Roddy Piper special because Razor left."
Riley Escobar
GOAT
Nvr fucced with Goldust@Xtz23 how you gonna give Goldust a 1 and not explain yourself
and dont remember any great moments that i enjoyed from him i was prolly a bit harsh on it but dudes characters was always on some wierd homo shyt.
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Riley Escobar
GOAT
Nvr fucced with Goldust
He wasn’t a homo, and even if he was who gives a fukk? The beauty of the Goldust character (at least initially) was that he did homo shyt to psych out his opponents, which played perfectly into the macho era with guys like Ahmed Johnson, Undertaker and Razor Ramon. These dudes were seen as unflappable and for them to be unnerved by somebody via sexuality/innuendo was groundbreaking for the time, especially in early-mid 1996 before the ethos of WWF changed
Even now you can see the influence Goldust had with the Velveteen Dream/Aleister Black feud in NXT, granted it’s a different generation but I guarantee you Patrick Clarke studied Goldust promos, mannerisms and facial expressions to refine his character, because without Goldust none of this would have been possible
I just realised I’ve written a fukkload but it’s 4:30am here in London and I’m waved
Gotta give GOATdust a 9
Can’t give him a 10 based off his late WCW and TNA gimmicks, but those are small blemishes in a otherwise amazing career
@mrken12 can Madusa/Alundra Blayze get added into the rotation? Could be fun to see since she was damn near the face of WCW’s non existent women’s division in the 90s. Plus part of wrestling history for all the wrong reasons
Can’t give him a 10 based off his late WCW and TNA gimmicks, but those are small blemishes in a otherwise amazing career
@mrken12 can Madusa/Alundra Blayze get added into the rotation? Could be fun to see since she was damn near the face of WCW’s non existent women’s division in the 90s. Plus part of wrestling history for all the wrong reasons
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Easy 9. Would have been a 10 if he had been given a heavyweight belt and had a good run with it which I imagine he would have.
OmegaK2099
Gettin' It In
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