TSC Evaluation #26: Ron Simmons
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He's a legend and him winning the Title over Vader was such an infamous moment.
I'd give him 7.5, but went with an 8 because he was believable as a a hard nose militant in Farooq and what not even 2-3 years later he excelled in a comedy/tough guy gimmick in APA.
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I'd give him 7.5, but went with an 8 because he was believable as a a hard nose militant in Farooq and what not even 2-3 years later he excelled in a comedy/tough guy gimmick in APA.
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It's really weird how being the WCW Champion did nothing for his career. Although to be fair, he really wasn't good enough in the ring to be a top champion and only got it because of Watts having so much success with JYD that he spent the rest of his booking career trying to make the next big black babyface. He was a solid enough talent, nothing particularly special, but also not bad. As a promo guy, he had some in ECW and early Nation days that were 
, but overall he definitely wasn't main event level promo or in ring guy. Doom was dope as fukk, early NOD was fire, APA was fun to see them stiffing the fukk out of dudes, but as a solo guy he was pretty average.
All that being said, he really should have had a WWF Championship run in 1997. It's not like workrate was super important at that point, and the NOD was getting probably the most legit heel heat of anyone at that point, plus Ron was ON ONE every week. A month long reign between WM 13 and Summerslam 1997 would have been 100% reasonable.
, but overall he definitely wasn't main event level promo or in ring guy. Doom was dope as fukk, early NOD was fire, APA was fun to see them stiffing the fukk out of dudes, but as a solo guy he was pretty average.
All that being said, he really should have had a WWF Championship run in 1997. It's not like workrate was super important at that point, and the NOD was getting probably the most legit heel heat of anyone at that point, plus Ron was ON ONE every week. A month long reign between WM 13 and Summerslam 1997 would have been 100% reasonable.
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Ron Simmons was not a marathon wrestler, not a great promo until WWE (though his one with scorpio about slapping women is in my top 5 funny promos). And didnt have an actual character until the Nation. This would usually include a lower ranking.
HOWEVER. In WCW and ECW I was always entertained by his explosive matches. Jim Ross especially put over how athletic he is in the ring and it showed. By the time the Nation rolled around he was as complete as he could be. For me he gets a high 7 which i will roll up to an 8. Im never bored watching him and that is the name of the game. Entertainment.
HOWEVER. In WCW and ECW I was always entertained by his explosive matches. Jim Ross especially put over how athletic he is in the ring and it showed. By the time the Nation rolled around he was as complete as he could be. For me he gets a high 7 which i will roll up to an 8. Im never bored watching him and that is the name of the game. Entertainment.
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Promos. There was a lot of Ernie Ladd in his promos he talked tough and you knew he meant it.
Character. Even with the Farooq Assad gimmick even with that horrific attire he made that work but everyone was glad when he switched to just Farooq and the NOD. He's one tough bad motherfukker and you better take notice
Ring Work. No 5 star matches but his matches singles wise where like his promos, hard hitting and to the point. Solid. His tag career will always outshine his singles and that's not a bad thing.
My favorite memory would be in ECW he picked Woman up handed her to Scorpio "Take that bytch back down to dubya see dubya DAMN!"
I give Ron Simmons an 8. Minus 1 point for the Farooq Assad attire like who the fukk was he supposed to be the black Mega Man.
Character. Even with the Farooq Assad gimmick even with that horrific attire he made that work but everyone was glad when he switched to just Farooq and the NOD. He's one tough bad motherfukker and you better take notice
Ring Work. No 5 star matches but his matches singles wise where like his promos, hard hitting and to the point. Solid. His tag career will always outshine his singles and that's not a bad thing.
My favorite memory would be in ECW he picked Woman up handed her to Scorpio "Take that bytch back down to dubya see dubya DAMN!"
I give Ron Simmons an 8. Minus 1 point for the Farooq Assad attire like who the fukk was he supposed to be the black Mega Man.
Compared to his peers in the midcard I enjoyed Farooq more. Just a dominant performer. I was a fan of his lariats and slams. Im chuckling just from remembering that match where the APA whooped Public Enemies ass. His presence was always interesting, especially with his booming voice.
Great performer.
Great performer.
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-Mic Work/promos - 7
I still remember a lot of the early Nation promos he cut on Ahmed Johnson, which were pretty risqué during the early stages of the Attitude era. The NOD and that character were a big sign (along with Austin, Mankind, Goldust, Pillman, etc.) that times in the WWF were changing. Still need to watch some of his earlier promo work but I'm going 7 off the strength of those Faarooq Nation promos.
-Personality/gimmicks - 7
I loved the NOD as a kid. Faarooq as a leader was perfect, and it's really a shame they didn't achieve more success. Had all the talent involved come into their own sooner, I think that might've been the case. Him as a solo guy was fun. Doom were a really cool power duo. APA breathed new life into both his and Bradshaw's careers and the concept of a team for hire in wrestling is something I think should be explored even more, partially off the strength of the APA.
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds) - 7
I have to mention the title win off Vader here. Historic. I truthfully need to see more of WCW and ECW work. His feud with Ahmed, while it didn't set the world on fire in ring wise, was really fun and a shame injuries and eventual bad booking (a fault of neither guy) plagued it. The power struggle between him and a young Rock over the NOD was fun to watch. He has what I would consider a GOAT level spinebuster, I always loved seeing him deliver it. The Dominatior was so vicious too, I still at seeing him almost murder Jeff Hardy with it like that one gif someone posted in here.
-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores) - 7
A big part of my childhood, and a staple of the Attitude era in multiple incarnations. A solid power guy who could hold it down in singles or tag, and I've always valued versatile workers like that. It's really a shame given the career he had that his retirement was so...nothing. He literally just walked off TV one night and that was it. The DAMN catchphrase has helped keep him around in comedic roles since then. I think he had the potential to do more, but with the career he had, I'd place him at a high 7.
I still remember a lot of the early Nation promos he cut on Ahmed Johnson, which were pretty risqué during the early stages of the Attitude era. The NOD and that character were a big sign (along with Austin, Mankind, Goldust, Pillman, etc.) that times in the WWF were changing. Still need to watch some of his earlier promo work but I'm going 7 off the strength of those Faarooq Nation promos.
-Personality/gimmicks - 7
I loved the NOD as a kid. Faarooq as a leader was perfect, and it's really a shame they didn't achieve more success. Had all the talent involved come into their own sooner, I think that might've been the case. Him as a solo guy was fun. Doom were a really cool power duo. APA breathed new life into both his and Bradshaw's careers and the concept of a team for hire in wrestling is something I think should be explored even more, partially off the strength of the APA.
-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds) - 7
I have to mention the title win off Vader here. Historic. I truthfully need to see more of WCW and ECW work. His feud with Ahmed, while it didn't set the world on fire in ring wise, was really fun and a shame injuries and eventual bad booking (a fault of neither guy) plagued it. The power struggle between him and a young Rock over the NOD was fun to watch. He has what I would consider a GOAT level spinebuster, I always loved seeing him deliver it. The Dominatior was so vicious too, I still
at seeing him almost murder Jeff Hardy with it like that one gif someone posted in here. -Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores) - 7
A big part of my childhood, and a staple of the Attitude era in multiple incarnations. A solid power guy who could hold it down in singles or tag, and I've always valued versatile workers like that. It's really a shame given the career he had that his retirement was so...nothing. He literally just walked off TV one night and that was it. The DAMN catchphrase has helped keep him around in comedic roles since then. I think he had the potential to do more, but with the career he had, I'd place him at a high 7.
He had some amazing quotables
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BRING YO ASS DOWN TO THIS RING AND TAKE YOUR PLACE IN THIS NATION
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BRING YO ASS DOWN TO THIS RING AND TAKE YOUR PLACE IN THIS NATION
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Eh...Ron Simmons to me was the dark skinned Lex Luger. Dude was a powerhouse, but had meh to ok matches. I actually enjoyed his time in DOOM, than his singles pushes. His mic work was average as hell and his persona was......*shrugs*.
I would give him a 6 as dude did have some groundbreaking moments such as being the first black WCW champion and his NOD/APA run, but the overall package was nothing memorable to be honest.
I would give him a 6 as dude did have some groundbreaking moments such as being the first black WCW champion and his NOD/APA run, but the overall package was nothing memorable to be honest.
Both were all strength but no workrate
. Still were popular with the fans despite the negatives tho.
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I'll give breh a 6. I'd like to really prop that title win as a thing, but they didn't do nothing with him. And it's a very forgettable thing for some fans. He played most of his roles well. But in ring he just wasn't up there. I think a 6 is fair.