TSC Evaluation #26: Ron Simmons

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I evaluate based on everything. Not just skill set.

If that was the case you could give someone like dean malenko a 10

Dude didn't have a GOAT career compared to the likes of someone like sting, booker t, rey mysterio ,etc.

No you couldn't, because he has like a zero Mic work and a 2 character. That's my point, rude had everything and you're really underselling his career...He had a career that rivals Booker t FOR SURE and he was at the same level as sting for a majority of their careers. If not for sting injuring him he would be as or more decorated as the people on the list you made. Rude was always a big deal and is one of the goat characters in history.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

No you couldn't, because he has like a zero Mic work and a 2 character. That's my point, rude had everything and you're really underselling his career...He had a career that rivals Booker t FOR SURE and he was at the same level as sting for a majority of their careers. If not for sting injuring him he would be as or more decorated as the people on the list you made. Rude was always a big deal and is one of the goat characters in history.

Hell nah he didn't.

Sting had a huge hand in making wcw bigger as well as wrestling in general in the 90s. He's one of the biggest wrestlers of all time.

Booker t had a longer career that included being a part of a GOAT tag team & one of the best singles career. Hands down the best black wrestler to do it.

Rick rude career was not as good as theirs. This isn't even debatable.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Hell nah he didn't.

Sting had a huge hand in making wcw bigger as well as wrestling in general in the 90s. He's one of the biggest wrestlers of all time.

Booker t had a longer career that included being a part of a GOAT tag team & one of the best singles career. Hands down the best black wrestler to do it.

Rick rude career was not as good as theirs. This isn't even dabatable.

Rick rude had a career that absolutely rivals Booker t, and rude was a bigger household name while IC champ in WWF than sting was even as champ in WCW. Then when he came back to WCW they gave him the strap.

You are welcome to disagree but the rating isn't just based on who had the best career. Rude was a big..Big deal and he had the skills AS Well that make him a 9 or 10

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Rick rude had a career that absolutely rivals Booker t, and rude was a bigger household name while IC champ in WWF than sting was for WCW. Then when he came back to WCW they gave him the strap.

You are welcome to disagree but the rating isn't just based on who had the best career. Rude was a big..Big deal and he had the skills AS Well that make him a 9 or 10

It definitely isn't based on just someone's capabilities either.

Penny hardaway & t-mac had the capabilities to be goat tier, but they're careers were not Goat tier.

Much like them the same can be said about rude.

Sting & booker t had a bigger imprint on the game than rick rude ever had.

 

[patscorpio]

Mic work/promos

• Straight to the point and believable..He said he was going to kick your ass and did it......NOD Faarooq and Acolyte Faarooq he was cutting some damned good promos

-Personality/gimmicks

• Faarooq gave him more edge to spit some real shyt...with that being said, him dressed up in the gladiator get up was stupid as fukk. NOD Faarooq though..official ..Plus he kicked ass in that Superbrawl game that came out on SNES

-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds)

• Athletic and strong as fukk in his prime plus unbelievably stiff..Him winning the world title from Vader is something I'll never forget watching. It's a legit top 10 moment for me. I personally think booking really sandbagged himduring his reign...rude was a good feud but then they book him against the likes of the barbarian ..ill never forget watching the vignettes of barbarian training to take ron's powerslam..having jobbers powerslam him and saying he couldnt be pinned by it..then they have their match and ends with a powerslam by ron ..WCW booking..Doom doesn't get enough mention as being one of the most badass teams in the last 30 years. Them nikkas were official..the matches they had with prime Steiners were ..I only wished he went to the WWF when he was still in his prime and/or he was given a run with the world or IC belt..although the tag team belts with bradshaw I guess will do ..later in his stint being used as a legit enforcer to punish cats in the ring tha the office didnt like or thought needed to be humbled..those beatings were

Ron simmons was the man..plus he was legit..You dont fukk with Ron ..he certainly deserves to be remembered for some of the stuff already mentioned it in here and not just because he says an authoritative "Damn" in random ass situations

give him a solid 8

 

[Tryna Makit]

Apparently i need to watch more Rick Rude...WTF why's he rated so high??

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

hes a legend

 

[BrehWyatt]

7.5 on the strength of his scoop powerslam alone.

 

[TNC]

Hell nah he didn't.

Sting had a huge hand in making wcw bigger as well as wrestling in general in the 90s. He's one of the biggest wrestlers of all time.

Booker t had a longer career that included being a part of a GOAT tag team & one of the best singles career. Hands down the best black wrestler to do it.

Rick rude career was not as good as theirs. This isn't even debatable.

A lot of what people's careers amount to is what bookers and other people "equate their value to".

What is undeniable is that given the gimmick, angles, performers and organizations Rude was given to work with, he consistently knocked it out of the park. Yes he was not booked to be the champion of the major 2 orgs, but he was booked to carry the foundations of each of those orgs for several instances. Rick was the worker you booked with the draw, and the fact that was consistent everywhere he went speaks volumes of his ability IMO.


Its like saying AJ Styles hasn't had as good of a career as a Randy Orton simply because he hasn't been on top of the WWE as long, despite AJ carrying entire organizations for decades across the world and Orton being a #2 & #3 at the majors his entire career.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

A lot of what people's careers amount to is what bookers and other people "equate their value to".

What is undeniable is that given the gimmick, angles, performers and organizations Rude was given to work with, he consistently knocked it out of the park. Yes he was not booked to be the champion of the major 2 orgs, but he was booked to carry the foundations of each of those orgs for several instances. Rick was the worker you booked with the draw, and the fact that was consistent everywhere he went speaks volumes of his ability IMO.


Its like saying AJ Styles hasn't had as good of a career as a Randy Orton simply because he hasn't been on top of the WWE as long, despite AJ carrying entire organizations for decades across the world and Orton being a #2 & #3 at the majors his entire career.

Sting & booker t did that & then some tho. For much longer period of time.

Rick rude is not a 9 or 10 on the scale. He's not goat tier.

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

With a scale of 1-10 how would you rate Ron Simmons in these categories:

-Mic work/promos: 6. Not one for long winded promos, and he didn't need to be. Always came across as an ass kicker and bad ass on the mic.

-Personality/gimmicks: 8. Doom legit scared me as a kid, but I loved his singles run in WCW. The gladiator version of Faarooq was terrible, but gotta give him credit for riding that out and making the Nation work.

-Ring work (along with some of your favorite matches/feuds): 5. Average worker at best. Had some good power moves. Best feuds and matches were with the Steiners, Horsemen & Rock 'n' Roll Express (in Doom). Favorite solo feuds would be Luger & Vader.

-Overall rating (which doesn't have to be an average of the above scores): 6. Most people here will probably only remember him for his Attitude era run, but I prefer his WCW stuff. Doom was a historic tag team and Simmons had a historic world title victory.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

A 7 overall. A 9 based on his WCW, ECW, and Nation of Domination work. 7 based on him teaming with JBL for a very hard-hitting popular tag team during Attitude. Thought he had pretty good promos. More of a blunt direct style (especially in ECW with 2 Cold Scorpio). That stupid gladiator gimmick could have killed him. I think he would have fared better in the WWF had he immediately came in with the NOD gimmick. That was probably 1 of my favorite stables ever (a stable itself which could have even done more, but that's for another thread). WCW's first black HW champion, can't get any better than that, nor can anybody ever take that away from him. He also had my favorite spine buster variation. That shyt was vicious. Was a powerful and very believable wrestler overall. Him and JBL being teamed together was one of the many ideas that worked as far as tag teams, and because of that pairing, the WWE for years has continued to try to pair random guys up and strike gold, but APA was one of the very few teams that actually worked. Ron Simmons could have done a lot more solo wise in the WWF, but he was stalled out immediately cause of that gladiator gimmick, and the changing of Attitude and other characters on the rise pretty much put him behind the 8 ball. Very good career though either way.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

Apparently i need to watch more Rick Rude...WTF why's he rated so high??

Nostalgia & he was a trash-talking heel for his entire time in the spotlight which is the archetype most likely to be looked upon fondly by wrestling fans. He also only had 3 year runs in both WWF and WCW so people didn't get a chance to get overexposed to him.

Don't get me wrong, he was probably top 10 of his era but according to this ranking he's GOAT level which he wasn't

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Oh shyt MVP #27

 

[Lord Scion]

Still think he should've won the WWE Championship during the Nation's feud with the Undertaker