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When Trump finally settles the housing discrimination case and is forced to open up all his properties to Black renters, he claims he "won" because he won't have to "rent to welfare recipients"....continuing the false narrative he'd been pushing the last two years that all the Black people he had been keeping out were just welfare recipients.

:francis: This one too is iffy...He was sued by the DoJ but they didnt win..NO VERDICT= NO PROOF

You have no clue who the plaintiffs were..He may really have been turning away subsidized tenants...In fact HE DID rent to many Black tenants...just not subsidised ones...
..the fact that they chose to settle with him means they couldnt win the case..they didnt have enough proof or the witnesses were sketchy..who knows

Bottom line is the only Fact there is he got sued
 

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And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control." - Donald Trump, as quoted by the president of Trump Plaza

:francis: Another "third person source" A bitter salty ex employee who worked as a president for just one year the passed over for promotion...what a " reliable source"..whats next his mailman,the electric company meter reader

your a joke bruh...this is proof of your gullibility
 

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1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker that when he worked for Trump in the 1980s, Black employees would be shuffled off the casino floor when Trump and his wife came around.
:comeon: He didnt tell the new yorker in a formal on the record interview..he was quoted by a writer of an opinion piece....What do we call the kind of information that someone tells someone else who tells someone else.......Unverifiable /gossip

its like if i told the new yorker..The Dankster loves the taste of Dycks and they print it....does that make it true?....(although in your case :yeshrug:

I'm committed to honesty here. If there's anything wrong here, correct it. If there's anything I missed, let me know so I can add it
No youre not ..clearly you are reprinting Third person tales ,Gossip and innuendo...you should just call this the Hair salon thread

Halfway into this :trash:...I havent found a single Fact
 

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1989: “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. If I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage.” – Donald Trump in an NBC interview

Really Nikka..THIS is what you consider proof of racism..Thats his honest opinion based on what he sees...Its a flawed opinion but

what in there says he thinks nikkas are inferior?...point it out

you low information militants howl "racism" so often yet its clear you dont understand what it actually means ....if you did this wouldnt be in there
 
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Ya'all dying on ONE post at the beginning of a list of dozens. :russ:

Let's not forget that the ONLY reason anyone even knows Trump's name is because he inherited the racist real estate empire built up by his dad. Trump promotes his dad as the model for his virtues, intellect, and ideas. And Donald Trump demonstrably lied about his father's connections to the KKK, in an especially amusing way.

If it really didn't reflect on Trump, he can say, "Yeah, my dad made a mistake, I don't agree with that." But instead he lied, claimed it wasn't his dad, and then claimed that marching down the streets in Klan gear is okay because no charges were filed.

And now Aleeyze even do es passin White is coming on saying, "But it's okay to march with the Klan because they're anti-Catholic too!" :mjlol:









Exactly.

I ain't even voting for Hillary. But no one should ever support Trump in any way, shape, or form.





So pointing out some White people got caught on tape exactly ONCE means that if Trump was racist, it is impossible that that one time wouldn't have come yet...even though quotes as bad or worse than what hit those guys have already been reported by the president of his own casino. Not to mention that his public actions are way, way worse.

Having a start helps a lot but to chalk his success down to his pops is foolish

I don't recall any of his fathers developments outside of the city, let alone the state, country

Was his father ever a TV draw ? Or a republican candidate ?

Trump took his pops millions and made them into a billion dollar empire and a licensing brand
which he is leveraging into a political career by using the fears of disenfranchised racist cacs

Is he a racist wealthy callous muthafuka ? Probably

but he doesn't give a fukk about regular cacs, regular blacks, business partners or even bankers...
unless they serve to further his goals.

He's a shrewd opportunist only out for himself, his brand, his golf courses

The white people supporting him don't even realize he wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire

From 900 million in the hole to wifing models to being a republican nominee and being TV draw

I'm not voting eitherway because

  • none of these candidates care one iota about minorities
  • none of them care about middle class people
  • Hilary is just an cunning
  • I've receded U.S. citizenship
 

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2016: Despite over 40 years at the top of the business world, "No black or Hispanic executive has ever played a prominent public role in the Trump business organization...the Trump team has not presented to the press the name of a single key executive who is either Hispanic or African American."

:mjlol: That is proof of what? If anything its proof that nikkas dont apply for those jobs... does it say that they showed up and he refused to hire them?

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Having a start helps a lot but to chalk his success down to his pops is foolish

I don't recall any of his fathers developments outside of the city, let alone the state, country

Was his father ever a TV draw ? Or a republican candidate ?

Trump took his pops millions and made them into a billion dollar empire and a licensing brand
which he is leveraging into a political career by using the fears of disenfranchised racist cacs

Is he a racist wealthy callous muthafuka ? Probably

but he doesn't give a fukk about regular cacs, regular blacks, business partners or even bankers...
unless they serve to further his goals.

He's a shrewd opportunist only out for himself, his brand, his golf courses

The white people supporting him don't even realize he wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire

Sort of true. But Trump didn't just leverage his father's enormous amounts of money (his dad would have been nearly a billionaire if you translate 1970s money to today's terms) but also his political connections. Fred Trump got a lot of his work done because of his close personal connections to Mayor Beame and several other powerful New York figures - he passed those connections on to Trump and Trump further exploited them and added to them.

But outside of New York, what does Trump really have? A few golf courses, a shuttered reality TV show, his name licensed out to a bunch of things he doesn't own, and failed casinos left and right. If he had given up on development 35 years ago and just put his money straight into the S&P 500, he'd be worth twice as much as he is today. And most of what he got was using political connections and the best lawyers in the world to screw over and exploit people who don't have the power he was born with.

He's a great talker and a salesman, and he's willing to do whatever he can to exploit others in order to promote himself. Other than that, he doesn't actually shown himself to be impressive at much in life. We're just seeing the first time that a lifelong salesman with no moral boundaries has tried to capture the absolute bottom-feeders of the American electorate at a moment when those bottom-feeders are numerous and angry. And career politicians, who normally have a LOT to do other than sales pitches, like actual policies and negotiations and knowledge of what the hell is going on in the world, can't stand up to his basic self-promotional pitch when competing for the votes of people who spend their days watching the Shopping Channel and Duck Dynasty.
 

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I'm starting to wonder if this guy is trolling just to make Trump supporters look stupid.

Haha - look at this, and you're stupid!

Nah, that's an obvious lie and anyone knows it just by looking at the post.

Okay, then how about I toss out this red herring instead, stupid!

Nah, another obvious lie anyone can figure out on their own without me saying anything.

:sas2: Ill look into it..... what a waste of time of time tho...

:dead:

This loser has taken ONE 1,926-word post full of facts and responded exactly TWENTY times on this thread with random stupid bullshyt totaling 7,666 words...and he thinks that I'm the one engaging in a waste of time. :mindblown:



Anything that gets you to respond 20 times can't have been that big of a waste of time. At the very least, I did society a service by keeping you engaged on your computer and away from small children during that time.
 

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Do you know what First person ,second person and third person reports are...here is a hint..90% of the garbage you posted is third person reporting..

You can't really be this stupid. It has to be a ploy to trap really, really stupid Trump supporters, or just a troll job.


First of all, TWENTY of my examples are first-person instances of Trump making a public fool of his racist self.

Second-person isn't even relevant....what the hell do you think a second-person report of racism is? :mjlol:

Finally, SIXTEEN of the examples are typical third-person reporting of acts and witnesses...like virtually ALL investigative reporting.


To pretend like "it doesn't count unless you videotaped yourself and put it on youtube!" is the idiotic mentality of a 14-year-old. People don't make videos of themselves going, "Look at me being a racist in my business deals". You HAVE to do investigative third-person reporting to verify that shyt. To claim, "the only racism that counts is when I have a tape of them saying the n-word" is a stupid social-media era narrative. You probably actually believe that Eminem is more racist than Trump, because Em said the N-word on a tape once in his teenage years and Trump only says it around confidants who would never report him.



Now, on from the general stupidity to more specific stupidity. No one other than Aelways en fantile should read these posts unless they want their brain to melt a little.



the link for your second "proof"...is an Editorial...Third hand information and even then it shows nothing but opinion about his daddy from a musician who didnt like him

He didn't like Trump because of the racist shyt he did. :usure:

What, are we only going to believe accounts of Trump's racism if they come from people who approve of it? :snoop:

And why the hell does it matter if the lyrics were in an editorial? Are you going to claim they didn't exist? Or course they exist and you can find a hundred sources to verify, including in your OWN link that you post just below that. Why throw in such a stupid red herring except just to waste time? :beli:



did you READ this

Segregation was FEDERAL LAW back then ...The government had an explicit policy of not insuring suburban mortgages for African Americans

so what was Fred trump supposed to do...Give nikkas houses for FREE......:usure:...and this is your proof...only proof i found so far is you low literacy

:whoo:

I still can’t tell if you’re really this dumb or just really think people are dumb enough to believe such lies.

Fred Trump was discriminating in his RENTAL properties. People who RENT apartments don’t get HOME MORTGAGES. Therefore, claiming that Trump had to segregate his rental properties because the government wouldn’t have approved mortgages is as dumb a lie as it gets.

And then you criticize me for "low literacy". :deadrose:

Your entire pro-racism argument is based around, “Well, the FHA had some racism, therefore it doesn’t matter than Fred Trump was enthusiastically racist”. :childplease:

That’s right, your own link states that he “enthusiastically” pursued racist policies. And even if racist segregation was technically legal in the 1950s when Woody Guthrie wrote his damning, shaming lyrics against Trump, it certainly wasn’t legal anymore in the 1970s when Donald Trump took over the properties and pursued the SAME racist segregation policies that overtly hurt Black people.



:francis: This one too is iffy...He was sued by the DoJ but they didnt win..NO VERDICT= NO PROOF

You have no clue who the plaintiffs were..He may really have been turning away subsidized tenants...In fact HE DID rent to many Black tenants...just not subsidised ones...
..the fact that they chose to settle with him means they couldnt win the case..they didnt have enough proof or the witnesses were sketchy..who knows

Bottom line is the only Fact there is he got sued


Liar, liar, liar.

See, this is one of the dangers of Trump. He lies so often and obviously that his followers actually believe they can get away with open, obvious lies without consequences.

He DID rent to Black tenants...but ONLY in his low-cost properties, NOT in the "nice" properties where the White people lived. It had nothing to do with "subsidized" or not.

It doesn’t even matter if those who filed complaints were welfare recipients, though I seriously doubt that they were, because after the complaints a sting was set up by the Urban League where apartments were given to White people on the same day as they had been refused to Black people with the same qualifications. And even better, you seem to completely ignore that:

* FOUR of Trump’s own agents state that applications were “coded” to show whether Black or White renters had filed them, and application approval was segregated accordingly.

* THREE of Trump’s own doormen said that they were directed to steer Black persons away from their apartment buildings by lying about rental prices or availability.

* ONE of Trump’s supervisors said that he was told to accept White applicants on-site, but direct Black applicants to the main office where they would be re-directed towards the lower-quality buildings.

You have EIGHT of Trump’s own employees who admit the racist policies, in addition to the test cases that were sent, in addition to all the complaints. And you claim there was no evidence….because the evidence is so damning you don’t want to acknowledge it.

So now the argument is, "nothing happened without a guilty verdict"...I'm sure you apply that to every other politician too. :troll:

And your words about the settlement are just stupid. It was one of the first uses of the Fair Housing Act EVER. The government didn’t care about forcing Trump into an “admission of guilt” so that they could list it as something to make him look bad in a later presidential run. All the government wanted to do was force him to stop being racist and give Black people a fair shot at the properties. And with all of Trump’s financial resources and deep political connections (his family had been close family friends with the mayor of New York for over 20 years and had already worked out major hand-in-hand property deals with his people), it took all the government could do to get that. But they did. And the only people who cares whether Trump gave a personal “admission of guilt” in the process were egotistic Trump and his sycophant stans.



:francis: Another "third person source" A bitter salty ex employee who worked as a president for just one year the passed over for promotion...what a " reliable source"..whats next his mailman,the electric company meter reader

your a joke bruh...this is proof of your gullibility

:comeon: He didnt tell the new yorker in a formal on the record interview..he was quoted by a writer of an opinion piece....What do we call the kind of information that someone tells someone else who tells someone else.......Unverifiable /gossip

Apparently, if someone hears Trump being racist and reports it, it doesn't count. It only counts when Trump declares his racism publicly (which he's done plenty).

And ALL reporting of racism is third-person unless the person is willing to broadcast racist views on their own. So anyone who doesn't broadcast publicly can't be called a racist by anyone else even if they hear them say and do racist things, because that's just a "third person report"? :martin:



Really Nikka..THIS is what you consider proof of racism..Thats his honest opinion based on what he sees...Its a flawed opinion but

what in there says he thinks nikkas are inferior?...point it out

you low information militants howl "racism" so often yet its clear you dont understand what it actually means ....if you did this wouldnt be in there

First off, how stupid would you have to be to be alive in the business world in the 1980s and believe that Black men had a BETTER shot than White men? It’s 2016, and anyone on the Coli in the business world can tell you that’s not true NOW, much less 30 years ago.

More important, the question is WHY Trump said it. Why does a guy who has NEVER hired a Black man to be a high-level executive in his organization, who removes all the Black dealers when his racist friends come into his casinos, who calls Black people lazy by nature and laments the fact that there are Black men working in his casino as accountants, and who had a history of screwing over Black people in his business deals state that it is BETTER to be a well-educated Black man?

:patrice:



:mjlol: That is proof of what? If anything its proof that nikkas dont apply for those jobs... does it say that they showed up and he refused to hire them?

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That percentage is actually smaller than your commitment to honesty.

:snoop:

Did lying come naturally, or did Trump teach it to you?

Trump’s 40-years of failure to hire Black/Latino executives has almost NOTHING to do with how many Fortune 500 companies have Black CEO’s. We’re not talking about the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. We’re talking about literally dozens of executives, maybe hundreds, at far lower levels than that.

It’s like me pointing out, “Alabama doesn’t have a single Black man anywhere on their coaching staff” and you responding, “But look at how few major colleges have Black A.D.’s! Black people must just not apply for those jobs – it’s natural!” It’s just a gigantic red herring at a completely different level.



If your responses to those seven examples are that sad, I can't imagine how weak you felt your cases against the other 30 examples were that you weren't even willing to post them. :blessed:
 
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You can't really be this stupid. It has to be a ploy to trap really, really stupid Trump supporters, or just a troll job.


First of all, TWENTY of my examples are first-person instances of Trump making a public fool of his racist self.

Second-person isn't even relevant....what the hell do you think a second-person report of racism is? :mjlol:

Finally, SIXTEEN of the examples are typical third-person reporting of acts and witnesses...like virtually ALL investigative reporting.


To pretend like "it doesn't count unless you videotaped yourself and put it on youtube!" is the idiotic mentality of a 14-year-old. People don't make videos of themselves going, "Look at me being a racist in my business deals". You HAVE to do investigative third-person reporting to verify that shyt. To claim, "the only racism that counts is when I have a tape of them saying the n-word" is a stupid social-media era narrative. You probably actually believe that Eminem is more racist than Trump, because Em said the N-word on a tape once in his teenage years and Trump only says it around confidants who would never report him.



Now, on from the general stupidity to more specific stupidity. No one other than Aelways en fantile should read these posts unless they want their brain to melt a little.





He didn't like Trump because of the racist shyt he did. :usure:

What, are we only going to believe accounts of Trump's racism if they come from people who approve of it? :snoop:

And why the hell does it matter if the lyrics were in an editorial? Are you going to claim they didn't exist? Or course they exist and you can find a hundred sources to verify, including in your OWN link that you post just below that. Why throw in such a stupid red herring except just to waste time? :beli:





:whoo:

I still can’t tell if you’re really this dumb or just really think people are dumb enough to believe such lies.

Fred Trump was discriminating in his RENTAL properties. People who RENT apartments don’t get HOME MORTGAGES. Therefore, claiming that Trump had to segregate his rental properties because the government wouldn’t have approved mortgages is as dumb a lie as it gets.

And then you criticize me for "low literacy". :deadrose:

Your entire pro-racism argument is based around, “Well, the FHA had some racism, therefore it doesn’t matter than Fred Trump was enthusiastically racist”. :childplease:

That’s right, your own link states that he “enthusiastically” pursued racist policies. And even if racist segregation was technically legal in the 1950s when Woody Guthrie wrote his damning, shaming lyrics against Trump, it certainly wasn’t legal anymore in the 1970s when Donald Trump took over the properties and pursued the SAME racist segregation policies that overtly hurt Black people.






Liar, liar, liar.

See, this is one of the dangers of Trump. He lies so often and obviously that his followers actually believe they can get away with open, obvious lies without consequences.

He DID rent to Black tenants...but ONLY in his low-cost properties, NOT in the "nice" properties where the White people lived. It had nothing to do with "subsidized" or not.

It doesn’t even matter if those who filed complaints were welfare recipients, though I seriously doubt that they were, because after the complaints a sting was set up by the Urban League where apartments were given to White people on the same day as they had been refused to Black people with the same qualifications. And even better, you seem to completely ignore that:

* FOUR of Trump’s own agents state that applications were “coded” to show whether Black or White renters had filed them, and application approval was segregated accordingly.

* THREE of Trump’s own doormen said that they were directed to steer Black persons away from their apartment buildings by lying about rental prices or availability.

* ONE of Trump’s supervisors said that he was told to accept White applicants on-site, but direct Black applicants to the main office where they would be re-directed towards the lower-quality buildings.

You have EIGHT of Trump’s own employees who admit the racist policies, in addition to the test cases that were sent, in addition to all the complaints. And you claim there was no evidence….because the evidence is so damning you don’t want to acknowledge it.

So now the argument is, "nothing happened without a guilty verdict"...I'm sure you apply that to every other politician too. :troll:

And your words about the settlement are just stupid. It was one of the first uses of the Fair Housing Act EVER. The government didn’t care about forcing Trump into an “admission of guilt” so that they could list it as something to make him look bad in a later presidential run. All the government wanted to do was force him to stop being racist and give Black people a fair shot at the properties. And with all of Trump’s financial resources and deep political connections (his family had been close family friends with the mayor of New York for over 20 years and had already worked out major hand-in-hand property deals with his people), it took all the government could do to get that. But they did. And the only people who cares whether Trump gave a personal “admission of guilt” in the process were egotistic Trump and his sycophant stans.







Apparently, if someone hears Trump being racist and reports it, it doesn't count. It only counts when Trump declares his racism publicly (which he's done plenty).

And ALL reporting of racism is third-person unless the person is willing to broadcast racist views on their own. So anyone who doesn't broadcast publicly can't be called a racist by anyone else even if they hear them say and do racist things, because that's just a "third person report"? :martin:





First off, how stupid would you have to be to be alive in the business world in the 1980s and believe that Black men had a BETTER shot than White men? It’s 2016, and anyone on the Coli in the business world can tell you that’s not true NOW, much less 30 years ago.

More important, the question is WHY Trump said it. Why does a guy who has NEVER hired a Black man to be a high-level executive in his organization, who removes all the Black dealers when his racist friends come into his casinos, who calls Black people lazy by nature and laments the fact that there are Black men working in his casino as accountants, and who had a history of screwing over Black people in his business deals state that it is BETTER to be a well-educated Black man?

:patrice:





:snoop:

Did lying come naturally, or did Trump teach it to you?

Trump’s 40-years of failure to hire Black/Latino executives has almost NOTHING to do with how many Fortune 500 companies have Black CEO’s. We’re not talking about the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. We’re talking about literally dozens of executives, maybe hundreds, at far lower levels than that.

It’s like me pointing out, “Alabama doesn’t have a single Black man anywhere on their coaching staff” and you responding, “But look at how few major colleges have Black A.D.’s! Black people must just not apply for those jobs – it’s natural!” It’s just a gigantic red herring at a completely different level.



If your responses to those seven examples are that sad, I can't imagine how weak you felt your cases against the other 30 examples were that you weren't even willing to post them. :blessed:

Fantastic post, but you're wasting your time, man.
 
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You're wasting your time, man.

I know...Hes denser than than a neutron star...Ive tried to tell him the difference between credible first person accounts and hearsay/gossip 3 times and he still doesnt get it...a chicken with down syndrome would have caught on by now but not this guy.
 

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Fred Trump was discriminating in his RENTAL properties. People who RENT apartments don’t get HOME MORTGAGES. Therefore, claiming that Trump had to segregate his rental properties because the government wouldn’t have approved mortgages is as dumb a lie as it gets.

And then you criticize me for "low literacy".
:mjlol:
He began constructing hundreds of single-family homes in Queens and Brooklyn in the 1930s using mortgage commitments from the newly created Federal Housing Administration to obtain construction loans.
:lolbron: You see why i call you a dumbass...because YOU ARE..he used a FHA LOAN TO BUILD
Your entire pro-racism argument is based around, “Well, the FHA had some racism, therefore it doesn’t matter than Fred Trump was enthusiastically racist”. :childplease:

That’s right, your own link states that he “enthusiastically” pursued racist policies. And even if racist segregation was technically legal in the 1950s when Woody Guthrie wrote his damning, shaming lyrics against Trump, it certainly wasn’t legal anymore in the 1970s when Donald Trump took over the properties and pursued the SAME racist segregation policies that overtly hurt Black people.
:skip: WTF are you yammering about...the case was SETTLED ...WITHOUT FINDING OF GUILT

Meaning youre stupid ass is NOT going to do the judges job and declare trump guilty because YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS OF THE CASE....period...

shyt you can barely spell and use a dictionary let alone adjudicate a complicated federal case
 

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Apparently, if someone hears Trump being racist and reports it, it doesn't count. It only counts when Trump declares his racism publicly (which he's done plenty).

And ALL reporting of racism is third-person unless the person is willing to broadcast racist views on their own. So anyone who doesn't broadcast publicly can't be called a racist by anyone else even if they hear them say and do racist things, because that's just a "third person report"? :martin:

:patrice: You didnt even read the new yorker article did you?? Yet you counted it as "proof"...what a fukking joke you are...i can see how youre "committed to the truth " LMAOOOOOO

HOW THE FUKK CAN YOU REPRINT SOMETHING WITHOUT CHECKING THE SOURCE

Anyway...lucky for you my IQ is higher than room temperature......I looked into it ....The article was written by a guy who allegedly had an informal conversation with his bus driver.."kip brown"
Kip brown is a pseudonym..no person matching that description has been found and that story exists in only one new yorker OP ED.There is NO CORROBORATION..meaning the guy could have made the story up..or the person he called kip brown could have been lying

ITS NOT A FIRST PERSON INTERVIEW...therefore it is USELESS (how hard is it to understand that)

heres a tip for you in future..any story that depends on two or more people telling the truth and not lying about a third person is NOT considered evidence

thats like me saying Bittasweet told me the dankster likes to go from ass to mouth when having gay sex and i print it...is that evidence?? ..huh slow nikka
 
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It’s like me pointing out, “Alabama doesn’t have a single Black man anywhere on their coaching staff” and you responding, “But look at how few major colleges have Black A.D.’s! Black people must just not apply for those jobs – it’s natural!” It’s just a gigantic red herring at a completely different level.
You have no idea what a red herring really means ....LOL

And yes if there are few black coaches i will expect few coaching staff..the coaches ARE recruited from the coaching staff...what you thought coaches and CEOs fall out the sky ready made



If your responses to those seven examples are that sad, I can't imagine how weak you felt your cases against the other 30 examples were that you weren't even willing to post them.

:skip: Jesus...You really are special....i almost feel bad now making fun of your disability....Im sorry bruh

I posted that because i figured you would make the logical leap that the problem of diversity is a problem with corporate America..not trump....I had no idea you didnt have the prerequisite brain cells to make that association on your own

An Inside Look at What’s Keeping Black Men out of the Executive Suite

According to a corporate diversity survey released last June by the office of Sen. Bob Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, black men and women account for a mere 4.7% of executive team members in the Fortune 100 (the top 100 U.S. companies by revenue), a share that hasn’t budged since the survey was first conducted in 2011.

:jawalrus: You get it now...or do i need to break out the sock puppet and crayons

I stopped there because i was tired and bored...i will go on and trash the rest if you want
 
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