Trump is about to defend white South African farmers

Kyle C. Barker

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Fam, can you spoiler the video? I do not want to hear this guy auto-playing when I come to this thread. Especially given that he's spewing bullshyt from beginning to end.

@∆y = f(∆x) I need you to spoiler that bullshyt too.

Especially, since everytime someone goes to that page it's registered as 2 views. You know the numbers people over there are gonna translate that as a good thing and use that to run more of this bullshyt. At least, find a YouTube version of the interview.


My bad bruh. I didn't know it was auto playing. I'll take care of that in a couple minutes.
 

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"failing presidency"? "march to prison"?

:mjlol: You're delusional.

He's a failed president already, with a 35-40% approval rating. I can only assume youre part of his redneck cult base.

Prison, not while in office yes but he'll get impeached first by Dec, cut a deal to resign and avoid prison. He's Nixon x 1000
 

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My bad bruh. I didn't know it was auto playing. I'll take care of that in a couple minutes.

I thought spoilers would stop it from autoplaying. Clearly I'm wrong. :stopitslime:

Fox News videos need to be blocked from the site. :ufdup:

Thanks, anyway.
 

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I should be criticizing Trump on every level because he does certain things that call for criticism but when I look at television I see all these announcers become experts and they're pointing the fingers and they're not doing a doggone thing but pointing their fingers, I find myself really pulling for the president. Now, that would make me very unpopular in the black community but I think that there are certain good things that are coming out of this presidency because we've never seen anything like it.
Kanye "I'm a different kind of negro" logic
 

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Good grief. A couple things folks need to realize:

1. No land has been targeted or taken yet. They are drafting a constitutional amendment to do so, primarily because the ANC fears losing votes to the EFF and others in elections next year.

2. The White farm murders, while horrible and should have been tackled better head on by the government, are often used by WS like Black on White murders are hyped in the USA. SA has one of the world's highest murder rates. Thousands of Blacks in townships and other areas are killed, often in the same brutal ways White farmers are.

3. The White farmers own lobby (AgriSA) states 47 White farmers were killed last year. This is down 2/3 from the peak in the 90s right after Apartheid ended. Again, not good and I wish no one harm but being worried about that while thousands of Blacks die in the same homicide wave is pretty telling.

4. While I want more land back with the Black Africans all this emotional kick Whites/Indians out crap isn't right. No African nation is served by not addressing the inequities created by colonialism but it also isn't served by turning its back on the rights of citizens and giving them that work just because of race.

5. Land reform in Africa has nowhere approached the crap other nations in Europe and Asia got away with against Germans and Japanese. I don't support the violence but acting like Africans are some unique savages in what they are trying to do is horseshyt.

6. I need to see a plan about training and financing poor Blacks to do large scale agriculture before anyone gets any land. Not because I don't want land reform to happen---I do but it gets screwed up when untrained and underfunded people get thrown on the land like in Zim. We'd be better off having the Brazilians train a bunch of folks, getting them started on land in Zim and other countries like Ethiopia and Tanzania to help them get back up to speed and then they'd be ready to use land in SA to its full potential.

Taking land is the LAST step in a successful land reform program. We should have like a 10 year plan, not some rush and grab joint.

7. This whole thing started when a group from SA, the Institute for Race Relations visited the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in DC, and gave a talk predicted food security collapse and social chaos if land reform went through. Tucker Carlson interviewed someone from Cato and then tweeted and here we are.
Forgot to mention - having the Brazilians train future black South African farmers awarded land through the proposed reform is a brilliant idea. :leon:

They've got extensive experience managing large-scale agricultural operations in areas that lack much of the infrastructure that developed world farmers take for granted.

The lack of colonial baggage is also a huge plus. Their involvement wouldn't amplify internal South African political strife the way European involvement (no matter how "well-intentioned" it is) would.

I would say China might also be a good choice...after all, they once experienced regular famines and yet have built a pretty sophisticated agricultural industry over the past 30 years.

But after seeing how they manage other large African infrastructure projects, I'm not no enthusiastic. There doesn't seem to be much of an emphasis on developing local African capacity to maintain the infrastructure - let alone teaching Africans how to manage large infrastructure projects moving forwards.

Instead, the Chinese almost seem to encourage African dependence on their technological / organizational capabilities - by preserving the highest-value design & engineering work for Chinese nationals, importing their own labor force to do much of the higher-value-added work on the ground, and relegating the local African labor force to only the most basic tasks - ditch-digging, truck-driving, etc.

To what end the Chinese are doing this I can't be sure (none of us have access to CCP strategy sessions), but my suspicion is that this is a deliberate geopolitical strategy.
 

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Are those Afro-Brazilians or :mjpls:-Brazilians?
Probably the latter :shaq2:

Still better than Europeans and Chinese though - both for practical & political reasons. :manny:

South African leadership will have a lot more leverage negotiating with Brazilians than they will with Europeans or Chinese...the Brazilians don't have the ability to engineer coups and don't have much of a geopolitical strategy outside of their immediate neighbors.

We know what European "assistance" would look like :pacspit:

And Chinese assistance comes with strings attached :francis:

For the Brazilians, its purely a business opportunity. That's about the best you can ask for with a major undertaking like this. Ensuring that there's significant improvements in black South African capacity to manage large-scale agriculture is going to be the responsibility of the South African government - they're going to need to build in systems to monitor and enforce the terms of whatever deal they end up signing.

The knowledge has to come from somewhere, you know? And I doubt the white South African farmers that will be expropriated are going to be all that enthusiastic about sharing what they know with the new black farmers...they've got every incentive to ensure the project fails.
 

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Waiting for Juju Malema's reaction :banderas:

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