Trump is about to defend white South African farmers

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[panopticon]

Good grief. A couple things folks need to realize:

1. No land has been targeted or taken yet. They are drafting a constitutional amendment to do so, primarily because the ANC fears losing votes to the EFF and others in elections next year.

2. The White farm murders, while horrible and should have been tackled better head on by the government, are often used by WS like Black on White murders are hyped in the USA. SA has one of the world's highest murder rates. Thousands of Blacks in townships and other areas are killed, often in the same brutal ways White farmers are.

3. The White farmers own lobby (AgriSA) states 47 White farmers were killed last year. This is down 2/3 from the peak in the 90s right after Apartheid ended. Again, not good and I wish no one harm but being worried about that while thousands of Blacks die in the same homicide wave is pretty telling.

4. While I want more land back with the Black Africans all this emotional kick Whites/Indians out crap isn't right. No African nation is served by not addressing the inequities created by colonialism but it also isn't served by turning its back on the rights of citizens and giving them that work just because of race.

5. Land reform in Africa has nowhere approached the crap other nations in Europe and Asia got away with against Germans and Japanese. I don't support the violence but acting like Africans are some unique savages in what they are trying to do is horseshyt.

6. I need to see a plan about training and financing poor Blacks to do large scale agriculture before anyone gets any land. Not because I don't want land reform to happen---I do but it gets screwed up when untrained and underfunded people get thrown on the land like in Zim. We'd be better off having the Brazilians train a bunch of folks, getting them started on land in Zim and other countries like Ethiopia and Tanzania to help them get back up to speed and then they'd be ready to use land in SA to its full potential.

Taking land is the LAST step in a successful land reform program. We should have like a 10 year plan, not some rush and grab joint.

7. This whole thing started when a group from SA, the Institute for Race Relations visited the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in DC, and gave a talk predicted food security collapse and social chaos if land reform went through. Tucker Carlson interviewed someone from Cato and then tweeted and here we are.

Professor Banneker comin through with the high quality posting as usual

Dap+Rep

Couldn't agree more on there needing to be a long-term plan. Zimbabwe's land reform was an unmitigated disaster because of the lack of planning / training of new black farmers and the extremely corrupt land award process.

Probably set the country back more than a generation - and not just economically. The hyperinflation as a result of the collapse of the Zimbabwean agricultural industry sent millions of the most motivated & industrious working & middle class Zimbabweans fleeing the country in search of opportunities to feed their families.

No country can afford to lose people like that - and especially not poor countries. These are the folks that form the backbone of any society and whose labor directly improves the standard of living of everyone in it - everything from skilled construction workers to power line maintenance men. If your goal is ending poverty and generating economic opportunity for your people, you can't take competence & continuity in these fields for granted.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Good grief. A couple things folks need to realize:

1. No land has been targeted or taken yet. They are drafting a constitutional amendment to do so, primarily because the ANC fears losing votes to the EFF and others in elections next year.

2. The White farm murders, while horrible and should have been tackled better head on by the government, are often used by WS like Black on White murders are hyped in the USA. SA has one of the world's highest murder rates. Thousands of Blacks in townships and other areas are killed, often in the same brutal ways White farmers are.

3. The White farmers own lobby (AgriSA) states 47 White farmers were killed last year. This is down 2/3 from the peak in the 90s right after Apartheid ended. Again, not good and I wish no one harm but being worried about that while thousands of Blacks die in the same homicide wave is pretty telling.

4. While I want more land back with the Black Africans all this emotional kick Whites/Indians out crap isn't right. No African nation is served by not addressing the inequities created by colonialism but it also isn't served by turning its back on the rights of citizens and giving them that work just because of race.

5. Land reform in Africa has nowhere approached the crap other nations in Europe and Asia got away with against Germans and Japanese. I don't support the violence but acting like Africans are some unique savages in what they are trying to do is horseshyt.

6. I need to see a plan about training and financing poor Blacks to do large scale agriculture before anyone gets any land. Not because I don't want land reform to happen---I do but it gets screwed up when untrained and underfunded people get thrown on the land like in Zim. We'd be better off having the Brazilians train a bunch of folks, getting them started on land in Zim and other countries like Ethiopia and Tanzania to help them get back up to speed and then they'd be ready to use land in SA to its full potential.

Taking land is the LAST step in a successful land reform program. We should have like a 10 year plan, not some rush and grab joint.

7. This whole thing started when a group from SA, the Institute for Race Relations visited the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in DC, and gave a talk predicted food security collapse and social chaos if land reform went through. Tucker Carlson interviewed someone from Cato and then tweeted and here we are.

47 farmers were killed last year? There’s like 3.5 million whites in SA

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

There's nothing racist about it unless you want to see it that way. Land (wealth) redistribution has always been at the cornerstone of left wing politics and socialist philosophy :blessed1:

All they are doing is taking the land from the excessively wealthy who dominate it, like fukking 5% own 70% of the land or something horrible like that, and giving it to the deserving working class South Africans. Why do you have to make it a white and black thing, when it is clearly a parasitic capitalist class against a deserving working class thing?

You're only going to see a racial angle to this if you are in fact a racist. Everybody else will view it in entirely justifiable and purely economic terms.

... cacs forbade blacks from owning or buying land in 1913 and destroyed an entire class of black farmers

 

[Lifejennings]

There were 77 farmers killed last year vs. thousands of other people, and not even all of the farmers were white. These demons don't know facts.

 

[the cac mamba]

Nothing will happen

They may take a couple boer refugees and stick em in idaho but but no US intervention.

African nations would kick the entire africom out.

trump couldnt even find south africa on a map america isn't gonna do anything it wouldn't have done anyway

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Jesus Christ. Apparently Tucker Carlson did a segment on this about a couple hours ago.

Aug. 22, 2018 - 6:54 - 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' exclusive: South African president Cyril Ramaphosa has just begun the process of seizing land from his own citizens, without compensation, purely due to their skin color. That's far more racist than anything Donald Trump has ever done, of course, but elites in America barely even care. #Tucker

Spoiler

Removed video because I'm not given that cac more spins

Fam, can you spoiler the video? I do not want to hear this guy auto-playing when I come to this thread. Especially given that he's spewing bullshyt from beginning to end.

@∆y = f(∆x) I need you to spoiler that bullshyt too.

Especially, since everytime someone goes to that page it's registered as 2 views. You know the numbers people over there are gonna translate that as a good thing and use that to run more of this bullshyt. At least, find a YouTube version of the interview.

 

[teacher]

There's nothing racist about it unless you want to see it that way. Land (wealth) redistribution has always been at the cornerstone of left wing politics and socialist philosophy :blessed1:

All they are doing is taking the land from the excessively wealthy who dominate it, like fukking 5% own 70% of the land or something horrible like that, and giving it to the deserving working class South Africans. Why do you have to make it a white and black thing, when it is clearly a parasitic capitalist class against a deserving working class thing?

You're only going to see a racial angle to this if you are in fact a racist. Everybody else will view it in entirely justifiable and purely economic terms.

 

[3rdWorld]

47 farmers were killed last year? There’s like 3.5 million whites in SA

Cacs are masters of making a small issue that affects only them a global issue.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Waiting for Juju Malema's reaction

 

[thatrapsfan]

South Africa crime stats 2017: everything you need to know

19K murders in South Africa in 2017. Vast, vast, vast majority of those victims were poor black South Africans. South Africa is extremely violent, moreso than anywhere in its region, and its quite obviously connected to its legacy of apartheid.

The concern trolling about the murder of farmers that make up 0.0000001% of overall homicides, is not even worth engaging.

 

[Eclipser]

1. I hope it doesn't get violent
2. Lands STOLEN should be returned
3. Lands NOT stolen, should not be returned.
4. Dont kill people

I'm no expert on this, but wouldn't all of the white farmers claim that their land is not stolen? So then don't return anything?
Any land tainted by apartheid directly or indirectly should be returned.

 

[King Poetic]

Can this sunkist orange motherfukker worried about what's happening in the states

 

[Black Panther]

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[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

fukk trump