Trump: "Everything is transgender. Everybody transgender. That's all you hear about. No. That's why we won the election in record numbers."

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That may be. But like it has been said multiple times in this thead, it's a winning strategy. Republicans bring it up so much to force democrats to defend an unpopular issue. They have successfully tied transgenders to Democrat party. Republicans take the moral high ground of not letting biological men dominate women in sports, and allow children to make life changing decisions to change their gender. All people with common sense are against those things. 67% of Democrat voters are against them.

So if a Republican brings up the subject, and a Democrat politician ignores it, then the Democrat is painted as being in favor of it by default. If Democrats do what they been doing and just shout "Trans women are women too" Republicans just sit back and smile, knowing they have the winning hand.

So Republicans will play that hand as long as the issue remains unpopular with the majority of voters.

I was raised in a small town growing up. Whenever I go back and hear black people talking politics, the first thing brought up about Democrats is how they defend gays and trannys. If that has become the most identifiable thing about the party to the average voter, then that is a serious flaw.
You're arguing that Republicans have a winning strategy because they've successfully tied trans issues to Democrats, forcing them to defend an "unpopular" stance, but that framing ignores how the GOP itself manufactured this outrage in the first place. The GOP has a long history of picking marginalized groups to demonize, to rally their base. That doesn't mean Democrats should just abandon them.

You also claim that if Democrats ignore the issue, they're painted as supporting it, which is just an admission that Republicans are setting the terms of the debate. By that logic, if the GOP starts fear-mongering about something else, whether it's vaccines or books in schools, Democrats should just cave there too? That's just cowardice.

The idea that defending trans people is the "most identifiable" thing about Democrats is just parroting Republican messaging. Democrats are also the party fighting for healthcare, workers rights, infrastructure, and student debt relief. But if Republicans hammer the culture war hard enough that even Black voters in small towns start repeating their talking points, that is a problem with messaging, not policy.

And what "moral high ground" are Republicans taking? Their arguments are built on fear-mongering and outright lies. The "dominating women's sports" narrative is a distortion of a tiny number of cases blown out of proportion, and the "children making life-changing decisions" argument ignores the reality that medical decisions around gender-affirming care are made carefully with parental and medical guidance over a long period of time. It's not some free-for-all like they pretend. And even then no surgeries are performed on children.

As far as the question in that NYT/IPSOS poll, it is framed in a way that pushes people responding toward a negative response. Pollsters looking for the "right" answer often craft questions like this to get the answers they want, and in this case, the question is loaded with biased language designed to lead people there.

Your argument boils down to "Republicans have made trans rights unpopular, so Democrats should abandon them," but that's exactly the trap the GOP wants. Instead of conceding to bad-faith attacks, we should be trying to expose the manufactured outrage for what it is, unless you support the GOP position, then...
 

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You're arguing that Republicans have a winning strategy because they've successfully tied trans issues to Democrats, forcing them to defend an "unpopular" stance, but that framing ignores how the GOP itself manufactured this outrage in the first place. The GOP has a long history of picking marginalized groups to demonize, to rally their base. That doesn't mean Democrats should just abandon them.

You also claim that if Democrats ignore the issue, they're painted as supporting it, which is just an admission that Republicans are setting the terms of the debate. By that logic, if the GOP starts fear-mongering about something else, whether it's vaccines or books in schools, Democrats should just cave there too? That's just cowardice.

The idea that defending trans people is the "most identifiable" thing about Democrats is just parroting Republican messaging. Democrats are also the party fighting for healthcare, workers rights, infrastructure, and student debt relief. But if Republicans hammer the culture war hard enough that even Black voters in small towns start repeating their talking points, that is a problem with messaging, not policy.

And what "moral high ground" are Republicans taking? Their arguments are built on fear-mongering and outright lies. The "dominating women's sports" narrative is a distortion of a tiny number of cases blown out of proportion, and the "children making life-changing decisions" argument ignores the reality that medical decisions around gender-affirming care are made carefully with parental and medical guidance over a long period of time. It's not some free-for-all like they pretend. And even then no surgeries are performed on children.

As far as the question in that NYT/IPSOS poll, it is framed in a way that pushes people responding toward a negative response. Pollsters looking for the "right" answer often craft questions like this to get the answers they want, and in this case, the question is loaded with biased language designed to lead people there.

Your argument boils down to "Republicans have made trans rights unpopular, so Democrats should abandon them," but that's exactly the trap the GOP wants. Instead of conceding to bad-faith attacks, we should be trying to expose the manufactured outrage for what it is, unless you support the GOP position, then...
You haven’t answered why trans issues are legitimate and worthy of Democrat defense.
 

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Trump ran against ID politics.
And against gender ID politics.
And against an open border.
And against men in women's competition.
And against terrorism.
And against the Green New Deal.
But we all know this.
The Dems used Harris, Walz, and an assortment of feminists, activists, the traditional media, celebrities and rappers to project their message to the American public.
What could go wrong?
 

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Another tranny thread?
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That Indian has no other response for democratic incompetence you see he's quiet as his magic carpet gliding thru the night in the Schumer threads :russ:
 

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:yeshrug:The broader cultural war matters. Liberals have become toxic and have their own brands of bigotry now.

That sexist statement Doechii made for example will turn alot of men away from liberals and democrats by extension.
The country that elected Donald Trump twice now cares about “bigotry” because of the trannies aren't hated enough :mjlol:
 

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Classic projection. Republicans, including Trump, have spent years relentlessly pushing anti-trans rhetoric, making it a central issue in their campaigns, state legislatures, and media talking points. Now, after manufacturing a moral panic, he's pretending that it's Democrats or society at large obsessing over it. He's acting as if trans issues are dominating everything when, in reality, it's his party that keeps introducing anti-trans bills, banning healthcare, and making it a wedge issue. This is nothing but manufactured outrage. And people are falling for it. Worse yet, people who should know better are buying into it, because they share the same bigotries.
This is the correct answer. People fall for the okie doke and it’s pathetic.
 

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A lot of y'all really fell for Conservative identity politics.
Attacked a group that is marginalized, don't have the population numbers to protect themselves; and like any group Conservatives deem "The Undesirables," they chose a target that can't really hide who they are.
Catholics can pretend to be Christian, gay people can play straight... But Black people can't be "less" Black. Brown immigrants can't "look" European. Visibly disabled people can't just get rid of their disabilities.
And since Conservatives have been relentlessly attacking trans people since straight up demonizing Black people nowadays is a white cultural faux pas... They are aware that trans folks can't change who they are to fit their definition of "man" or "woman."

And because most would rather play The Great American Game than flip the table and dismantle the system, some marginalized people are chomping at the bit to participate in the fukking up of trans people's lives.
Black women out here being transphobic...:francis:
Black women.... You aren't and never were meant to be included in that "femininity" binary white people made up.
Like we haven't seen CACs and their non-white sycophants call the Williams Sisters, Caster Semenya, Michelle Obama and Meg Thee Stallion men.
Can't benefit from the system of white supremacy, but gleeful participation in dehumanizing who the whites label "The Undesirables" because we aren't their target.... Currently.

" B-b-but why are they so focused on trans people?"
Because laws are being made to erase their existence right now while there are so few of them, in terms of population.
Kentucky banned trans athletes from participating in sports... How many trans people were athletes in the state, at the time.
ONE.
YOU. PASSED A WHOLE ASS STATE LAW. FOR ONE PERSON.
Y'all don't remember the dinner table analogy folks were using to explain Black Lives Matter? Similar thing; they're a vulnerable population being attacked for existing.

"B-b-but LeBron James in a wig playing in-"
Show me. Show me this wave of trans athletes dropping 60ppg a night or a trans MMA fighter with a perfect record and nothing but 1st round knockouts.
Also... Since when are we banning athletes for having more physical gifts?
"It's not the sa-"
LeBron James.
Wemby.
Shaq.
Vince Carter.
Giannis.
Phelps.
Bolt.
Lidecki.
All of them are/were blessed genetically in their respective soprts, but we give them a pass bc they fit into the box we want em in.

Participating in the dehumanizing won't save you from it once they're done with trans people.... Just saying.
 

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Do you think that’s a savvy political play in 2024 and beyond?

Nope.
You cannot fight every cause, thats impossible.

Democrats will also drop Black voters too in the near future to compete with the popular far right movement, and appeal to moderate Whites and Spics.
 

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republicans aren't saying trannies "can't exist". they're saying they can't invade women's spaces, and push this filth on young children. they're drawing a line. the vast majority of people agree with that

democrats are out here pushing "puberty blockers" on school age children :scust: what the fukk is that?

Not Democrats... doctors. All Democrats are saying is we should allow families, with the assistance of medical professionals, to make medical decisions about their own bodies. It's not being pushed upon anyone. Again, we're talking about the tiniest fraction of children even experiencing body dysmorphia, and even fewer considering medical treatment. But bad faith actors want to pretend like this is some scorage that's tricking young children to chop their dikks off. Those are just lies as far as I can tell.
 
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