True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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You are OK with the Tuttle part of the storyline having zero resolution? I never once thought that the Spaghetti Monster was supposed to be the endgame this season, it seemed clear to me that he was just a player in a larger game (which he was, and which the show presented to be the endgame). So the relief that Marty and Rust have at the end for getting "their guy" just seemed false to me. Rust spent years turning into a worn out alcoholic and druggie trying to take down the Tuttle clan, but he almost seemed accepting of everything at the end. Did not make sense for the character at all.
The endgame wasn't to take down the Tuttle clan, but to actually get the guy behind the 95 murder. They knew LeDeoux wasn't the guy and the real killer was out there.

And yeah, the spaghetti monster was just a player in a larger game, but they weren't gonna get to those higher levels.

As a viewer, I didn't expect them to take down the powerful Tuttle family.

Rust wasn't relieved, he was upset that he didn't realize how tall dude was because he was sitting down and couldn't see the scars because of dirt and how the Tuttles needed to be stopped, but Marty told Rust that that shyt wasn't gonna happen.


We even heard the news reporter at the end say that the authorities gave the :ufdup:to any suggestions that the Tuttle family was involved in any way.

The Tuttle part of the storyline wasn't gonna be "resolved" They're an extremely powerful family in Louisiana that's involved in some fukked up shyt and despite there being evidence in some of their dealings, they're able to sweep the shyt under the rug with only the pawns being touched.

From what LeDeoux was saying, there were some very powerful men involved, something like that isn't gonna be taken down easily.
 
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The endgame wasn't to take down the Tuttle clan, but to actually get the guy behind the 95 murder. They knew LeDeoux wasn't the guy and the real killer was out there.

And yeah, the spaghetti monster was just a player in a larger game, but they weren't gonna get to those higher levels.

As a viewer, I didn't expect them to take down the powerful Tuttle family.

Rust wasn't relieved, he was upset that he didn't realize how tall dude was because he was sitting down and couldn't see the scars because of dirt and how the Tuttles needed to be stopped, but Marty told Rust that that shyt wasn't gonna happen.


We even heard the news reporter at the end say that the authorities gave the :ufdup:to any suggestions that the Tuttle family was involved in any way.

The Tuttle part of the storyline wasn't gonna be "resolved" They're an extremely powerful family in Louisiana that's involved in some fukked up shyt and despite there being evidence in some of their dealings, they're able to sweep the shyt under the rug with only the pawns being touched.

From what LeDeoux was saying, there were some very powerful men involved, something like that isn't gonna be taken down easily.

Lets be real though, you are copping pleas for the show by suggesting that the Tuttle part was never going to be resolved, and by suggesting that the endgame was just solving the 95 murder. The show was not framed that way, it was always about the larger conspiracy at hand. We were even introduced to the larger players in the first episode

Resolution would not have to come in the form of an unrealistic takedown of the entire operation, but at least some sort of personal retribution or proper media exposal. Killing the Spaghetti Monster accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, and Rust is too smart to believe anything else. If their stories were going to be explored more in the future then I would have zero problem with it, but being as the entire story has already been told it just wasn't all there. I mean....dude found kiddie porn pictures during his burglary. He knew 100% fact who was involved. To think that those characters had no factor in the ending is mind-boggling.

I'm not gonna be the guy in this thread thats attacking the show with every post because it doesn't deserve that, but you got the wool over your eyes with this defense here.
 
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it seems like one or both of the leads next season will be female, so keep that in mind when throwin out names
 

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i kept thinkin they would go more in depth with rusts visions when he was gutted but overall im happy with the carcosa confrontation
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I mean....dude found kiddie porn pictures during his burglary. He knew 100% fact who was involved.
Of course Rust knew that the Tuttle family was involved. It's why the entire 2012 investigation was based on connections to Tuttle.

Rust says in the hospital bed that they didn't get them all, that they didn't know who the men in the video were.

What was Rust gonna do, walk into the police station and go

"Yeah, 10 years ago, I broke into all of Pastor Tuttle's homes and in one of the homes I found this tape with kiddy porn/snuff. Everyone is wearing masks so you can't identify anyone and there's really no way to prove that I took this from Tuttle's house but it's him."

At the end, the news reporter says, "the State Attorney General and the FBI have discredited rumors that the accused was someway related to the family of Louisiana Senator Edwin Tuttle"

Either the Tuttles are still using their power to cover this up or the government doesn't want to admit they fukked up 17 years ago and it's easier to have some white trash take the fall.
 

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Check this shyt out I found on reddit:

It's unexplained, so there is no right answer about why Audrey drew those pictures or set up the dolls in that tableu. But you want a theory?

This show is a metafictional adaptation of Lovecraftian cosmic horror. It wears this influence in its sleeve, and it uses what might otherwise just sound like nihilistic rumblings to actually be pretty straightforward about its intent.

In episode one, Rust tells us about how the towns he is in feel like poorly-remembered, faded memories of a real one, and he chides the present-day detectives on how their entire lives are just a dream they had that they were real people. Well, Rust is one of many partially self-aware characters on this fictional show driven nearly to madness by their small glimpses at the true nature of their world. Again, episode 1, Rust proclaims how he now sees that time is a flat circle, where their consciousness is on rails circling over and over through their lives, where there exist higher-level beings who perceive their time not as linear, but in this flat circle. I.e we the audience see time skips, changes in scenes, the inexplicable presence of a boat in the character's possession, etc.

This is the classic Lovecraftian notion of horror. To peer into the incomprehensible dimension of higher beings to whom you are of no consequence in a universe which is utterly indifferent to your insignificance. In True Detective, the audience are the Old Gods, and Nic is Cthulu. Other works of fiction are infinite parallel universes.

Drug use seems to have something to do with characters becoming self-aware, a la the cult, Rust's time in vice, the pharmacy robber, Dora Lang, etc. For some, it is a dim perception that the world is not what it seems. For others, it is a glimpse between the cracks. And for others still, it is starring into the abyss and seeing wisps on the other end the Yellow King in Carcossa, and being driven mad by it.

Errol fell fukking deep into this rabbit hole. A disfiguring facial injury at a young age sounds like a pretty good reason to start using perception-altering drugs, and using them often. He saw through the cracks, and while unable to see us the viewer, he sees his peers in their different worlds with their many accents, most feared and respected of all the Yellow King, and he makes it his life's work to ascend from his plane to join them.

Anywho, there's loads of clues for this reading of the story as a whole (not the least of which is the scene where Marty literally asks the show's writer why he's making him say things. This isn't an Easter egg or just a cameo, it's the thesis, and reminder that Marty does not understand his true nature). But I think Audrey is also somewhat self-aware. She draws dikks and sex and arranges her dolls like the ritual rites because she has the misfortune of seeing them between the cracks of her world in the scenes that surround hers. We know that at least later in her life she's medicated (and toying with her dosage as a teen), so my inference here is that it started earlier than the show reveals.
 

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I'm in the good season/should have been GOAT season/Matt should rack up awards/finale was a letdown group.
 

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Yeah, this show was looking like it was getting ready to have a GOAT season after episodes 4 and 5, but it kind of fizzled out like most mystery shows do.

I put this in that Twin Peaks/Lost tier where it had a fascinating journey but had a weak or unsatisfying conclusion overall.
Man, I feel bad for you and your advanced mind that can allow you to feel disappointed watching the last few episodes.

I heard a podcast shyt on last week's episode, shared your opinion and I just didn't get why
I mean they explained but I was sitting there like
'really? You're going to bytch about that? '

I couldn't wait for them to partner back up
 

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Great episode..

Both of those guys are different from where the show started.. or maybe they're the same people except they've come to accept their mistakes and who they really are.

Marty crying in the hospital is pretty much him showing us that he accepts the fact that he's responsible for being lonely and breaking up his family, the older version of him doesn't even really try to debate Rust's points about him, at least not much...

Rust finally accepts the fact that death is apart of life.. and even tho his loved ones have passed (his daughter and his father.. even tho he shows spite toward him), he still has time to live. The whole intense chase through "Carcosa" is supposed to be us looking through him... We wouldn't have that if he was truly willing to die. The vortex he sees sucking everything up is supposed to be "death". He could have easily allowed himself to be "sucked in".. but chose to fight.

A few posters in this thread have pointed out that this was a character study moreso than an investigation.. and it makes perfect sense that it ended the way it did. It's not the greatest season finale of all time.. but it was good for wrapping up these 2 characters stories.
 
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