Trey Burke Looks Terrible so far...

[954UAlreadyknow]

If he turns into Ty Lawson, that means he's a top ten PG. I've been saying he's probably going to wind up like Mike Conley, which is a damn good PG and a guy you can win with.

Among PGs who play more than 20 minutes a game, he's second to Chris Paul in assist/turnover%. Utah was 1-11 without him, 6-9 with him. That's a pretty big difference. The kid just knows how to play and he's a gamer.

Thats what I feel. Nobody said he"ll be a franchise player or top ten in the league.But people act like he would flop in the league because he aint super athletic and he's 6'1. Like you said he just knows how to play

 

[NormanConnors]

I mean that goes without saying. I do think the things Burke does well are more likely to stay steady than flukes like Collison and DJ Augustine. He doesn't have to be elite because who is really looking elite out of that draft?

oh he'll definitely be better than Augustine. as far as the elite tag, that's what everybody is looking for/labeling a star PG as these days . When looking for that next big thing teams aren't drafting PG' s in the first round/lotto to run the 2nd unit.

I feel @Regular_P on the Conley comparison for the most part, Conley is aiight but he is not a beast, he can run a team though, and it's nothing wrong with that if he is doing what is asked of him.

I'm more so speaking on folks that have Burke as the the end all be all, it's too early to say on that.

 

[Malta]

- Look at his TS% and probablyhis EFG%, he's definitely a sniper and I'd expect his percentages to trend upward. A PG who doesn't turn the ball over EVER isn't a special skillset? It's one of the things that distinguished Prime Chauncey Billups on those Pistons teams.

His eFG is 45% nothing to really write home about, and his TS is 48% Yeah, but in addition to not turning the ball over, Billups is also 6'3" and could post up smaller guards like Burke.

- Burke has a longer standing reach than either Nash or Parker and he is an inch shorter than Parker.

There's no info on Nash or Parker's standing reaches, and their listed heights are without shoes, where as Burke is 5'11.75" without shoes and his listed is with them.

Both Parker and Nash are 6'3" and change in shoes.

Ty Lawson and Mike Conley are top 10 PG and in this draft, how is that not noteworthy? At the same time, I see people hyping Oladipo but go look at his stat splits between teams above and below .500. Now look at Burke's splits and the Jazz record before and after he came.

Eh, he's really offensive minded, can't see him being as efficient offensively as Conely and will probably trend more towards Lawson/Jennings in percentages. And being a top 10 PG is nice, but there's a pretty large gap between the top 5 and the rest, he will more than likely never be a top 5 PG.

Sure, he helped improve the Jazz's record but they were rotating between Alec Burks / Jamal Tinsley / John Lucas as their starters, he's a step up over that but he's just so "meh". I think people hype up Oladipo because he has two way potential, the offense he brings will be a bonus.

- Giannis could be great. I think he is more AK47 than Durant which is great but people are getting carried away.

I don't see Durant for Giannis, he moves like him and is built similar to him but he's got the vision of a point forward, and of course his defensive potential is huge. That's the point, there's nothing special about this dudes game, you can point to Giannis and see the potential moving forward.

Maybe I'm biased, I'm just not a fan of smaller PGs, they are almost always liabilities on the defensive side of things and they can't get their shots off when it matters.

 

[bigrodthe1]

If he turns into Ty Lawson, that means he's a top ten PG. I've been saying he's probably going to wind up like Mike Conley, which is a damn good PG and a guy you can win with.

Among PGs who play more than 20 minutes a game, he's second to Chris Paul in assist/turnover%. Utah was 1-11 without him, 6-9 with him. That's a pretty big difference. The kid just knows how to play and he's a gamer.

I think he will be better than Ty or Conley...he has that instinct to win that you can't teach...he's more like Chris Paul to me. You can see on that Utah squad that he is ALREADY becoming the go to man.

 

[Malta]

If he turns into Ty Lawson, that means he's a top ten PG. I've been saying he's probably going to wind up like Mike Conley, which is a damn good PG and a guy you can win with.

Sorry, but I'd pass on both if it meant I had to give 1/5th of my cap space to a dude that ultimately won't help me win a title. Conley and Lawson are good players sure, but nobody is winning a damn thing with either of them. Lawson is making $11 million a year, that is what being a "top 10" PG will get you in the end, a contract eating a hole into your caproom without the type of impact necessary to win, and without the ability to spend big money on the positions that can actually win chips. If you ain't in the top 5, I'd rather just have a catch and shoot dude that brings the ball over halfcourt.

Among PGs who play more than 20 minutes a game, he's second to Chris Paul in assist/turnover%. Utah was 1-11 without him, 6-9 with him. That's a pretty big difference. The kid just knows how to play and he's a gamer.

Westbrook is more reckless with the ball than Mike Conley, give me Westbrook asst/to is cool and all, but it's not end all be all. Utah was starting a bunch of bums at PG, Burke has done a decent job but look at what they had playing that position prior to him coming back, they could have started Norris Cole at the 1 for them and it would have been an improvement over what they had.

 

[Poitier]

His eFG is 45% nothing to really write home about, and his TS is 48% Yeah, but in addition to not turning the ball over, Billups is also 6'3" and could post up smaller guards like Burke.

True. The TS and EFG just shows he isn't an inefficient shooter per say and much of it is due to the slow start he got off to and has been trending upward. While, Chauncey could post up, most of his shots came off PnR and catch n shoots. Burke can definitely mimic that as his bread and butter.

There's no info on Nash or Parker's standing reaches, and their listed heights are without shoes, where as Burke is 5'11.75" without shoes and his listed is with them.


Both Parker and Nash are 6'3" and change in shoes.

Regardless, Burke has long arms for an "undersized guard", compare to other guards in that draft and someone like Chris Paul, who has shorter arms.

Eh, he's really offensive minded, can't see him being as efficient offensively as Conely and will probably trend more towards Lawson/Jennings in percentages. And being a top 10 PG is nice, but there's a pretty large gap between the top 5 and the rest, he will more than likely never be a top 5 PG.

Sure, he helped improve the Jazz's record but they were rotating between Alec Burks / Jamal Tinsley / John Lucas as their starters, he's a step up over that but he's just so "meh". I think people hype up Oladipo because he has two way potential, the offense he brings will be a bonus.

Ehhh we'll just have to see. I don't really see the two way potential of Oladipo. He isn't KCP defensively and he only seems to perform offensively in garbage time/ against sub 500 teams.

I don't see Durant for Giannis, he moves like him and is built similar to him but he's got the vision of a point forward, and of course his defensive potential is huge. That's the point, there's nothing special about this dudes game, you can point to Giannis and see the potential moving forward.

Maybe I'm biased, I'm just not a fan of smaller PGs, they are almost always liabilities on the defensive side of things and they can't get their shots off when it matters.

There is absolutely NO evidence that Giannis will have a versatile offensive game or the ability to be a high volume, high usage scorer. The defensive potential and point forward skills at that height is why I say AK47. Not bad at all but not really that much better than a Lawson or Conley.

 

[Regular_P]

Sorry, but I'd pass on both if it meant I had to give 1/5th of my cap space to a dude that ultimately won't help me win a title. Conley and Lawson are good players sure, but nobody is winning a damn thing with either of them. Lawson is making $11 million a year, that is what being a "top 10" PG will get you in the end, a contract eating a hole into your caproom without the type of impact necessary to win, and without the ability to spend big money on the positions that can actually win chips. If you ain't in the top 5, I'd rather just have a catch and shoot dude that brings the ball over halfcourt.



Westbrook is more reckless with the ball than Mike Conley, give me Westbrook asst/to is cool and all, but it's not end all be all. Utah was starting a bunch of bums at PG, Burke has done a decent job but look at what they had playing that position prior to him coming back, they could have started Norris Cole at the 1 for them and it would have been an improvement over what they had.

Completely disagree with this. If Indiana traded Danny Granger and George Hill for Mike Conley or Ty Lawson, they'd be the odds on favorite to win it all.

Assist/turnover isn't the be-all-end-all, but it shows he's maximizing his play on the floor. The reason they couldn't win before is because that roster is dogshyt. Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams are both averaging about 27 minutes a night.

Burks, Hayward, and Favors are the only decent players besides Trey Burke.

 

[eastside313]

Can people stop saying 6 foot is small for a pg please

 

[NormanConnors]

Can people stop saying 6 foot is small for a pg please

it kind of is with the way the league is going now, bar a few exceptions. Trey doesn't look like he is even 6-0, not taking anything away from skill, i know what he can do from big 10 play.

 

[eastside313]

it kind of is with the way the league is going now, bar a few exceptions

I just don't see a big difference in a inch or two(that's what she said )

Anybody under 6"4 there's no big difference.

 

[Poitier]

Standing reach > height

Trey has longer arms than majority of PG with heights an inch or two above him.

 

[NormanConnors]

I just don't see a big difference in a inch or two(that's what she said )

Anybody under 6"4 there's no big difference.

@ the bolded.

yeah plus there are cats shorter than him or equal height in the league (like Ty Lawson), but they are some of the fastest at their position end to end and it helps separate them. 6-3 seems to be about the standard now.

 

[#1 pick]

His eFG is 45% nothing to really write home about, and his TS is 48% Yeah, but in addition to not turning the ball over, Billups is also 6'3" and could post up smaller guards like Burke.



There's no info on Nash or Parker's standing reaches, and their listed heights are without shoes, where as Burke is 5'11.75" without shoes and his listed is with them.

Both Parker and Nash are 6'3" and change in shoes.





Eh, he's really offensive minded, can't see him being as efficient offensively as Conely and will probably trend more towards Lawson/Jennings in percentages. And being a top 10 PG is nice, but there's a pretty large gap between the top 5 and the rest, he will more than likely never be a top 5 PG.

Sure, he helped improve the Jazz's record but they were rotating between Alec Burks / Jamal Tinsley / John Lucas as their starters, he's a step up over that but he's just so "meh". I think people hype up Oladipo because he has two way potential, the offense he brings will be a bonus.





I don't see Durant for Giannis, he moves like him and is built similar to him but he's got the vision of a point forward, and of course his defensive potential is huge. That's the point, there's nothing special about this dudes game, you can point to Giannis and see the potential moving forward.

Maybe I'm biased, I'm just not a fan of smaller PGs, they are almost always liabilities on the defensive side of things and they can't get their shots off when it matters.

It's hard to say on Giannis. Seriously, I expect him to be closer to AK with more skill than to Durant but as with PG, you never know. These guys came in so raw.

 

[Houston911]

Completely disagree with this. If Indiana traded Danny Granger and George Hill for Mike Conley or Ty Lawson, they'd be the odds on favorite to win it all.

Assist/turnover isn't the be-all-end-all, but it shows he's maximizing his play on the floor. The reason they couldn't win before is because that roster is dogshyt. Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams are both averaging about 27 minutes a night.

Burks, Hayward, and Favors are the only decent players besides Trey Burke.

true, but george hill is a bum

i like burke

 

[Regular_P]

true, but george hill is a bum

i like burke

Hill is definitely a bum...but he makes $600K less than Conley.