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[the mechanic]

lol, even if you don't agree with my point- I wouldn't expect you do say there aren't any historical white leaders who acted that way.

so you're trying to bait me.

Not really Im bored and decided to show how ignorant you really are by calling you out on your BS

trollin me because I called you gay? Why pretend to be something you're not?

What's funny is... when you're telling the truth on something, no one really debates you... they just ask you to post links to common knowledge - yet they post no links to refute you.

links have been posted in this thread, plus there's google for you. I'm not wasting time with you, because I don't think I said anything controversial.

he acted like a historical white leader after his moms died

He let the people build forts, take over trade routes and ports, he let them come in an culturally influence his people


We know that over a millions years went by until white people were present on Earth- about 7k years ago.

That's some white boy sh1t... and the black leader who was once a fierce warrior, proud African, turned into some crazy person who thought it was a good idea to allow crakker traders to influence their culture and ways.

(SHAKA WAS)not born out of marriage between a man and a woman (which is anti zulu)



This is just the stupid shyt youve said in just the last 2 pages....youre a skidmark on the draws of higher learning breh

1. you say people credit his accomplishments to "black excellence" - no one has done this - but it's very telling that you would even go there.

I said YOU are doing that not "people"

2. You claim his dealings with Europeans was insignificant in life and in the reason for his death - He thought these conniving white men were awesome, because they treated him after he was stabbed, shortly after he signed over key land to them. Not just some "Tiny Strip" as you claim. He hung with them, went hunting with them, and they even help him slaughter Africans with more efficiency than he previously was able to do.

Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Shaka granted permission to Europeans to enter Zulu territory on rare occasions. Henry Francis Fynn provided medical treatment to the king after an assassination attempt from a rival tribe member hidden in a crowd (see account of Nathaniel Isaacs). To show his gratitude, Shaka permitted European settlers to enter and operate in the Zulu kingdom. This would open the door for future British incursions into the Zulu kingdom that were not so peaceful. Shaka observed several demonstrations of European technology and knowledge, but held that the Zulu way was superior to that of the foreigners.[5]

3. The other things you said, simply are just ridiculous. It's sad that you are pretending that you give two sh1t about history, let alone African history.
4. The real reason you're here is because people have made comments you do not agree with about homosexuality. I've quoted and responded to gay posters on here and didn't have a problem... but I do have a problem with insecure muthafukkas who don't own up to their orientation such as yourself.

I guess, I can safely assume you're gonna respond with some more fake bs, it's alright because I see you for what u are.

The real reason im doing this is to expose the ignorance in your fake black nationalism AKA K00ning in blackface

 

[Blackking]

Not really Im bored and decided to show how ignorant you really are by calling you out on your BS

This is just the stupid shyt youve said in just the last 2 pages....youre a skidmark on the draws of higher learning breh

I said YOU are doing that not "people"



The real reason im doing this is to expose your fake black nationalism AKA K00ning in blackface

Him being a b*stard.. was anti-zulu... meaning they looked down on that and treated him a certain way because of it. Basically nothing I said was untrue.. you haven't even tried to prove me wrong.. so you've successfully baited me into some fake BS- congratulations.

You saying koon now? I'm not offended because I'm far from it - no need to address that sh1t in detail, but I didn't know you were black??

I find it interesting that no one even implied 'black excellence' as a reason why people are good at killing, but you go there. Then you randomly bring up black nationalism and senselessly call me fake in regards to my stance on it (which u don't even know). Now I find out that you're supposedly black.. so that just threw me for a loop.

So you're a heterosexual proud black man who goes to gay clubs, gets intimate with men and (i'm assuming) the occasional woman, hates on black nationalism and even mocks those you assume are pro-black but ... your here to expose me?

 

[88m3]

Ask not what Allah can do for you, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR ALLAH



BECOME A SLAVE TO ALLAH BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

 

[africanprince]

Not sure why you're trying to prove your cred to me breh, I accept that you're a Swazi and have some insight into Zulu culture, though that doesn't mean I consider you an absolute authority either, seeing as you're still not one yourself.



I've heard about the vernacular language, which is a recent invention brought upon by modern homosexuals, but the use of hlobongo to denote male "marriages" among miners and others is well-documented, and the idea of male "wives" goes back over a century, at least, and not just among the Zulu, but among related groups in S. Africa, Lesotho, Mozambique, etc. (I admit I don't know much about Swaziland.) What I was told by the Zulu I talked to is corroborated further by the research that exists on the subject. It's a complicated issue, but we know for sure that these practices did exist in some native form.

Dafunkdoc posted one of the books earlier in this very thread, if you're interested in looking at it.



Not sure what you mean by this. There's no group of people on this planet in which homosexuality has never existed. It's as old as humanity. We're talking about conceptions of it, not whether the activity or the people themselves existed. Again, specifically with reference to the Zulu, there's some research on the subject.

Dude, do not group all these ethnic groups together because they have nothing in common except "light dark skin" due to climatic conditions in the region. I am clarifying a simple fallacy that homosexuality once existed in Zulu culture which is MY culture. Sothos, Tswanas are similar but they are both different to us so I don't know their original culture. The only thing that brings us together is a genre of music that came about after the abolishment of apartheid called "kwaito" music. We all listen to the music but they don't understand a sh1t except beats and drums because only zulus, swazis and xhosas usually sing it and they are related ethnic groups origionating from the Nguni. Mozambicans are very much far distant from the other ethnic groups because they barely exist even in South Africa. They are to us what the senegalese are to you. They are aliens in very small numbers that emigrate to Botswana, Swaziland, South africa, lesotho and swaziland as cheap labour like mexicans but don't use Mozambicans, sothos and tswanas to prove a point because you specifically said "Zulu" and the other 3 are irrelevant to your point.

 

[africanprince]

If youre impressed by the wall of gibberish Blackking aka Strugglethoughts has posted there i dont know what to tell you brother...

Anyway the British started their hostilities like 50 years after Shakas death..which had more to do with the discovery of diamonds than Shakas trading concessions .

Once the diamonds were discovered the British East India company was coming for the land by any means necessary so that point is moot

False, again. when we are kids, we study real African history books and the archived concessions, not what people in the west usually read which is basically, Jewish propaganda to create a new social order in the world. There are archives of the signatures in our museums (the concessions, pacts etc.) Shaka was murdered by his brother, Dingane. Dingaan is the one who killed Shaka and soon After he killed him, took over the zulus then the whites came with guns, started signing more concessions and Dingan started rebelling and they chased him to Swaziland where he died in the Shiselweni region in my hometown, Hlathikulu.



You research, but I know that youre wrong and I don't really like liars saying homosexuality existed in this culture. One of my CLOSE relatives is gay and my family gives him the look all the time. If my grandfather (born in 1921)found out he would kill that nikka.

 

[The Real]

Dude, do not group all these ethnic groups together because they have nothing in common except "light dark skin" due to climatic conditions in the region. I am clarifying a simple fallacy that homosexuality once existed in Zulu culture which is MY culture. Sothos, Tswanas are similar but they are both different to us so I don't know their original culture. The only thing that brings us together is a genre of music that came about after the abolishment of apartheid called "kwaito" music. We all listen to the music but they don't understand a sh1t except beats and drums because only zulus, swazis and xhosas usually sing it and they are related ethnic groups origionating from the Nguni. Mozambicans are very much far distant from the other ethnic groups because they barely exist even in South Africa. They are to us what the senegalese are to you. They are aliens in very small numbers that emigrate to Botswana, Swaziland, South africa, lesotho and swaziland as cheap labour like mexicans but don't use Mozambicans, sothos and tswanas to prove a point because you specifically said "Zulu" and the other 3 are irrelevant to your point.

Like I already said, the question is not whether it existed or not. There is no part of the world in which homosexuality has never existed. The question concerns conceptions of it.

False, again. when we are kids, we study real African history books and the archived concessions, not what people in the west usually read which is basically, Jewish propaganda to create a new social order in the world. There are archives of the signatures in our museums (the concessions, pacts etc.) Shaka was murdered by his brother, Dingane. Dingaan is the one who killed Shaka and soon After he killed him, took over the zulus then the whites came with guns, started signing more concessions and Dingan started rebelling and they chased him to Swaziland where he died in the Shiselweni region in my hometown, Hlathikulu.



You research, but I know that youre wrong and I don't really like liars saying homosexuality existed in this culture. One of my CLOSE relatives is gay and my family gives him the look all the time. If my grandfather (born in 1921)found out he would kill that nikka.

So you're an antisemitic conspiracy theorist? No offense, but I'm finding you less credible with each post.

 

[Mowgli]

Like I already said, the question is not whether it existed or not. There is no part of the world in which homosexuality has never existed. The question concerns conceptions of it.



So you're an antisemitic conspiracy theorist? No offense, but I'm finding you less credible with each post.

Hees way more credible than you.

 

[The Real]

Hees way more credible than you.

He believes that Western writing on Africa is part of a Jewish conspiracy for a new world order, so no... not really. Are you cosigning this baseless antisemitism that grounds his choice to believe what he does?

Plus, his entire argument is that his people are similar to the Zulu, and they haven't accepted homosexuals in the last 2 generations, so Zulus must never have accepted them at all. I'm not sure why I should trust his word over the words of actual Zulu.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Wait, we got a Zulu warrior living in Africa posting on the-coli?

 

[Blackking]

So you're an antisemitic conspiracy theorist? No offense, but I'm finding you less credible with each post.

... But his sources, experience, and levels of understanding may be more credible than ours; and it seems that's the case.

I've been to 4 other nations whose Ideas and lessons on American History... were just fcked up. They barely even mention our black civil rights movements here in Detail - So The Real would naturally be able to better explain a few things to them about America and, specifically Black American, history and customs.



And are we really ready to say that much of what we learn isn't propaganda??

 

[Blackking]

Ask not what Allah can do for you, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR ALLAH



BECOME A SLAVE TO ALLAH BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

IF you chose to go that route... the phrase is Servant, not slave... slaves don't have a choice.

 

[88m3]

IF you chose to go that route... the phrase is Servant, not slave... slaves don't have a choice.

"Is not Allah Sufficient for His slave? … " [Al-Qur'an 39:36]

In conclusion, therefore, we may say that slave ('abd) means the one who is enslaved by Allah and who submits and humbles himself to Him.

I feel slave, has a better connotation than servant anyway.

 

[the mechanic]

False, again. when we are kids, we study real African history books and the archived concessions,

...i read this stuff in REAL African textbooks written by African authors..This is ALL also confirmed by the british colonial records too as well as several other sources

not what people in the west usually read which is basically, Jewish propaganda to create a new social order in the world. There are archives of the signatures in our museums (the concessions, pacts etc.) Shaka was murdered by his brother, Dingane.

Enough with the smart dumb nikka shyt..I went to a school where not one single jew was a teacher or influential in any way

Youre sounding insane saying jewishi supremacists give a fukk about African colonial History...whats their motivation???

Youre credibility is hitting new lows here..

You research, but I know that youre wrong and I don't really like liars saying homosexuality existed in this culture. One of my CLOSE relatives is gay and my family gives him the look all the time. If my grandfather (born in 1921)found out he would kill that nikka.

It existed ...you dont have to like it but the truth is the truth..you can be immature and close your eyes and cover your ears all you want in your denial or you can have some integruty

Dont fall for the faux black supremacy that blackqueen and Mowgli are spreading...

to say the White man is responsible for all that is wrong in Africa is also saying the black man is too stupid to make his own mistakes

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/mixlass/funny%20gifs/th_racc00n.gif



Think about it

 

[Mowgli]

Hilarious the man in the relationship wearing a crown. bytch ass nikka needs to wear a tiara.

 

[Mowgli]

...i read this stuff in REAL African textbooks written by African authors..This is ALL also confirmed by the british colonial records too as well as several other sources


Enough with the smart dumb nikka shyt..I went to a school where not one single jew was a teacher or influential in any way

Youre sounding insane saying jewishi supremacists give a fukk about African colonial History...whats their motivation???

Youre credibility is hitting new lows here..



It existed ...you dont have to like it but the truth is the truth..you can be immature and close your eyes and cover your ears all you want in your denial or you can have some integruty

Dont fall for the faux black supremacy that blackqueen and Mowgli are spreading...

to say the White man is responsible for all that is wrong in Africa is saying the black man is too stupid to make his own mistakes

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/mixlass/funny%20gifs/th_racc00n.gif


Wow, real african texts. Great cited sources there.
Think about it