Trade 3 Firsts and a 3rd for a 4th Brehs - Official 2023 San Francisco 49ers Season Thread!!!

[Jmare007]

I don't disagree. But I think for the sake of Purdy's development, Aiyuk is less replaceable than Deebo, almost solely because of the state of the Oline. Deebo's plays are going to be defended with additional box players whether he's running or out on a route. The only way to combat that is to push the ball. Kittle can't be Kittle with the line like it is and liable to get worse if Trent finishes up after this year, which means less seams from him. So the only one that seems able to push the safeties back and work the middle of the field fast enough to pop open before the line fails the QB is Aiyuk. Gray ain't playing, Bell's skillset is better served as a slot/Deebo replacement, Jennings is a WR3 on every playoff-bound team at best and the team is in trouble if he's ever your #2... I just don't see an easy solution to needing to pay both.

But I think the team does better with Aiyuk-Bell than they do Samuel-Jennings, and I don't think it's close.

Mostly because the plays that were most dynamic for Deebo that would get him going in a game and force a team to account for him... just aren't happening. Be it because they are being run for CMC instead and his increased production comes at the cost of Deebo's, or because he's been hurt and out of games.

I could rock with the team going 2nd round on WR if they go and get a route runner with 4:4~ speed and great shuttle times. But even if they did, Kyle wouldn't play him for two years over some 'need to humble him and make sure he can block' shyt.

And I think another thing that isn't being looked at is, I don't think #44 is long for the league. And then the team either needs to try that 7th round TE they got as a half-back swiss army knife Delanie Walker type - which I'm all for - or, we're going to need to get comfortable fast with a run game that doesn't have a lead blocker. Which means even less route-running from Kittle. Which makes the issues that much worse.

I just don't see anyone else on the team able to develop into that 15-30 yard reception range type of player. But I see a whole embarrassment of riches on the 5-yard-slant/drag route/jet sweep side. And there's only one ball.

Perfect world, I'd love to see Mitchell and McCloud gone, Dwelley knocked down and see if we can get some production our of either TE drafted. Get a quality #2 back and make the primary formation Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk, Kittle, Walker. Kick Walker in to FB for lead runs - which can be done by 19 or 23. Split CMC out wide and you have 3 WR sets with both TEs blocking/chip-to-flat. Spell 19 or 23 with a RB and still have the same functionality for the most part.

Bell is #3 WR, but really ends up playing more like a WR5/ST guy since your 3-WR sets are almost always 11-19-23 and if you're ever in proper spread 4-WO formations that 4th is Kittle most times.

I just question what the team is getting out of Latu. Nothing now, but... will they get anything later, either?

When Aiyuk leaves (I don't believe his agent will play nice and make him affordable for us) I'm pretty sure we'll try to get a veteran stop gap for 1-2 seasons while Kyle and Lynch play lottery trying to get a real replacement in the draft.

I would also hope we'll finally address all the OL issues we have next draft and free agency. I'm pretty sure McKivitz will cost us too many key 3rd down pass plays in the playoffs (or the key final games of the season) and management will try to fix this shyt up. That will liberate Kittle.

Juice is signed through 2025 and he ain't retiring before cap hell arrives and we stop being a SB contender. And when that happens in 2 years or so, all the issues you are naming are gonna be the last of our problems because we gonna be in full rebuild mode anyways.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Terrible man

 

[Heretic]

I don't disagree. But I think for the sake of Purdy's development, Aiyuk is less replaceable than Deebo, almost solely because of the state of the Oline. Deebo's plays are going to be defended with additional box players whether he's running or out on a route. The only way to combat that is to push the ball. Kittle can't be Kittle with the line like it is and liable to get worse if Trent finishes up after this year, which means less seams from him. So the only one that seems able to push the safeties back and work the middle of the field fast enough to pop open before the line fails the QB is Aiyuk. Gray ain't playing, Bell's skillset is better served as a slot/Deebo replacement, Jennings is a WR3 on every playoff-bound team at best and the team is in trouble if he's ever your #2... I just don't see an easy solution to needing to pay both.

But I think the team does better with Aiyuk-Bell than they do Samuel-Jennings, and I don't think it's close.

Mostly because the plays that were most dynamic for Deebo that would get him going in a game and force a team to account for him... just aren't happening. Be it because they are being run for CMC instead and his increased production comes at the cost of Deebo's, or because he's been hurt and out of games.

I could rock with the team going 2nd round on WR if they go and get a route runner with 4:4~ speed and great shuttle times. But even if they did, Kyle wouldn't play him for two years over some 'need to humble him and make sure he can block' shyt.

And I think another thing that isn't being looked at is, I don't think #44 is long for the league. And then the team either needs to try that 7th round TE they got as a half-back swiss army knife Delanie Walker type - which I'm all for - or, we're going to need to get comfortable fast with a run game that doesn't have a lead blocker. Which means even less route-running from Kittle. Which makes the issues that much worse.

I just don't see anyone else on the team able to develop into that 15-30 yard reception range type of player. But I see a whole embarrassment of riches on the 5-yard-slant/drag route/jet sweep side. And there's only one ball.

Perfect world, I'd love to see Mitchell and McCloud gone, Dwelley knocked down and see if we can get some production our of either TE drafted. Get a quality #2 back and make the primary formation Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk, Kittle, Walker. Kick Walker in to FB for lead runs - which can be done by 19 or 23. Split CMC out wide and you have 3 WR sets with both TEs blocking/chip-to-flat. Spell 19 or 23 with a RB and still have the same functionality for the most part.

Bell is #3 WR, but really ends up playing more like a WR5/ST guy since your 3-WR sets are almost always 11-19-23 and if you're ever in proper spread 4-WO formations that 4th is Kittle most times.

I just question what the team is getting out of Latu. Nothing now, but... will they get anything later, either?

I agree with all of your points especially the bolded. I think the reason Bell and Aiyuk would be better than Samuel and Jennings is more of an indictment on Jennings. He can't get open on the outside. I do think Bell could possibly be a Deebo replacement but I also think he'd be a monster in the slot, moreso than Jennings is now. Jennings has the privilege of being the senior on the squad and it doesn't leave much room for any other receivers unless we have 2 injuries. When Deebo was out Jennings was useless and we lost but on the flipside when Aiyuk was out we won, I admit the competition was worse tho. Aiyuk is on his way to having 1300 yds, I'd say 1100 at least. That's not easy to replace.

What I hope we do is roll over that 40 mil in cap space we have, extend Aiyuk because we already picked up the option on him and it's 14 mil next year. We can extend him, save a lot on his cap hit and probably reduce it to 5 or 6 million then extend Huf and lower his cap hit too then we should be good for at least 3 years. By then Trent will most certainly be gone which saves a ton and draft a replacement this year and groom him on the right side if Williams keeps playing for another couple of years. Kittle is 30 and he could possibly be gone in 3ish years but who knows. TEs tend to fall off a cliff all of a sudden. Basically we should be able to keep our key pieces, I think what we're banking on is the cap rising year after year and keeping the core together while adding pieces here and there. Moneywise I think we'll be ok enough to keep Samuel and Aiyuk together. If you think about it, of all the key players we've had, we only lost one and that was Buckner. We ended up spending that same money on Hargrave a couple of years later and that was with having Jimmy G on the roster making top QB money.

 

[Jmare007]

Terrible man

It blows my mind that everyone that had seen this team the last 2 years knew they had a problem pass protecting on the right side with McGlinchey, who ended up a bust and too expensive to keep.

And the answer to the problem was to do nothing and put a guy that no one believed could be a improvement over the low bar set by McGlinch (besides being way cheaper). Specially after the starting QB got his elbow fukked up by pressure coming FROM THE RIGHT fukkING SIDE

The fact we didn't even draft a possible RT prospect was even more dumbfounding.

In what world was this ever going to work?

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Dont have to double Chase...he never gets sacks like that vs us anyway. Montez would have been scary if yall got him but Chase is soft. He fits in with yall though he is injury prone like a motha. We know how Hargrave plays had em for about 3 sum odd years and Bosa well he's Bosa hes never did anything against the EAGLES.

@Heretic

You got anything you want to add?

You part of this war.

You not playing nice this year…. We gonna put you in the middle of this fukkery whether you like it or not

#ProtectThisHouse

 

[feelosofer]

lesbianest here

if before the season started I told you after 9 games the Niners QB would lead the league in QB rating, QBR, Y/A and Y/C...people would be ecstatic

just a week ago I heard talking heads talking about benching Brock for Sam fukking Darnold

I thought he would be good but the thing that impresses me more is that the kid has an assassins mentality. Like yo some of the throws he made on Sunday were wildly difficult. The kid has icewater in his veins. Like the tuddy to Kittle, he pulled that off while getting hit.

 

[feelosofer]

JT O'Sullivan has a mancrush



To be fair he also heavily fux with CJ Stroud too.

 

[Dat916nigga]

lesbianest here

if before the season started I told you after 9 games the Niners QB would lead the league in QB rating, QBR, Y/A and Y/C...people would be ecstatic

just a week ago I heard talking heads talking about benching Brock for Sam fukking Darnold

Brock’s been playing at a legit Pro Bowl level all year, which we haven’t had at QB since Jeff Garcia in 2002

He’s got some things that he’s gotta get better at, but he’s exceeded my expectations so far. Especially considering that he broke his elbow earlier this year. That storyline drove the entire offseason but it’s rarely brought up anymore

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Also @Heretic

I need you to get in on this debate



Same VP @yseJ

And @feelosofer @priority @Big dikk and

Spoiler: King Ghidorah

@JLova @Jmare007

What are y’all thoughts on this discussion?

Can Fred LOCK UNC?

 

[feelosofer]

Also @Heretic

I need you to get in on this debate



Same VP @yseJ

And @feelosofer @priority @Big dikk and

Spoiler: King Ghidorah

@JLova @Jmare007

What are y’all thoughts on this discussion?

Can Fred LOCK UNC?

Fred Warner might be one of the most versatile linebackers I have ever seen play. He would make Shannon earn every yard.

 

[yseJ]

Terrible man

not to be devils advocate, but its weird because first he double teams with burford and only then switches to his man and he's in bad position and just gets pushed away. rich is a film rat so he knows better but idk whats going on here on the play, definitely not how they teach you lol

 

[yseJ]

Brock’s been playing at a legit Pro Bowl level all year, which we haven’t had at QB since Jeff Garcia in 2002

He’s got some things that he’s gotta get better at, but he’s exceeded my expectations so far. Especially considering that he broke his elbow earlier this year. That storyline drove the entire offseason but it’s rarely brought up anymore

yeah we were concerned hed only be cleared by midseason and shyt

 

[Jmare007]

not to be devils advocate, but its weird because first he double teams with burford and only then switches to his man and he's in bad position and just gets pushed away. rich is a film rat so he knows better but idk whats going on here on the play, definitely not how they teach you lol

I don't know what the OL practices but I've seen countless plays this season where McKivitz goes for a double while leaving a DL or LB on his side either completely alone or getting late to him and getting badly beat. That clip ain't nothing new, sadly.

 

[yseJ]

JT O'Sullivan has a mancrush



To be fair he also heavily fux with CJ Stroud too.

I actually disagree with JTO when he says on the kittle TD that its not a pump but a pull down

its definitely a pump designed to bait the safety on Aiyuk, and make sure safety doesnt take Kittle. you can even see Kyle on the sidelines prematurely fist pumping once he sees the safety biting and Brock launching it to Kittle

 

[feelosofer]

I don't know what the OL practices but I've seen countless plays this season where McKivitz goes for a double while leaving a DL or LB on his side either completely alone or getting late to him and getting badly beat. That clip ain't nothing new, sadly.

In an ideal situation depending on the coaching term its called a help block or a catch and release. When that happens in zone scheme is that McKivitz is supposed to engage with the defensive lineman in his gap for approximately 1 second (or Mississipi if you're old school) while keeping an eye on the hot LB or end. The problem with McKivitz is 2 things. He is a shytty athlete and he has dinosaur arms so he is always a day late and a dollar short.