Trade 3 Firsts and a 3rd for a 4th Brehs - Official 2023 San Francisco 49ers Season Thread!!!

[yseJ]

@Heretic the play with Deebo wide open and the blitz at around 9 minute mark. Just a bad play and Brock would have to throw across his body or have a quick strike right away when he attempts to reset. I think Brock decided to play it conservatively and not making a hero throw.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Put some RESPECK on this man’s name!!!

 

[Novembruh]

here's my thinking: You need a 1st round/high 2nd receiver to try and replace Aiyuk's downfield production(Jennings ain't it, Bell ain't it, etc)
But... you could get a 3rd round RB to deal with losing Deebo.

Not because he's a 3rd round RB talent, but because the team could get good run production with a functional #2 RB, and that would let you use CMC the way they use Deebo. And would decrease the wear on CMC by sending someone else through the tackles.

Objectively, it's easier to find a way to replicate what Deebo gives you than to try and take a flyer on an elite route runner that Purdy will need to build rapport with from scratch.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Mahomes and Josh do this damn never every week….. if this was their play…. People would’ve called this the play of the weekend and say they won the MVP off this

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Damn I thought out schedule was crazy

 

[Jmare007]

@Heretic the play with Deebo wide open and the blitz at around 9 minute mark. Just a bad play and Brock would have to throw across his body or have a quick strike right away when he attempts to reset. I think Brock decided to play it conservatively and not making a hero throw.

Yeah, his feet weren't set either so Deebo wasn't a real option. Specially because after the TD to Aiyuk, we all know Brock got cussed out by Kyle to not to those throws so makes complete sense he just took the sack.

 

[Jmare007]

here's my thinking: You need a 1st round/high 2nd receiver to try and replace Aiyuk's downfield production(Jennings ain't it, Bell ain't it, etc)
But... you could get a 3rd round RB to deal with losing Deebo.

Not because he's a 3rd round RB talent, but because the team could get good run production with a functional #2 RB, and that would let you use CMC the way they use Deebo. And would decrease the wear on CMC by sending someone else through the tackles.

Objectively, it's easier to find a way to replicate what Deebo gives you than to try and take a flyer on an elite route runner that Purdy will need to build rapport with from scratch.

I'm sorry breh but there's literally no evidence we can find a 3rd round RB that can function as a big contributor under Kyle. If anything, we have the evidence of the complete opposite

We also have nothing to believe Kyle would use CMC less as a RB when he's healthy enough to start a game.

 

[jwonder]

here's my thinking: You need a 1st round/high 2nd receiver to try and replace Aiyuk's downfield production(Jennings ain't it, Bell ain't it, etc)
But... you could get a 3rd round RB to deal with losing Deebo.

Not because he's a 3rd round RB talent, but because the team could get good run production with a functional #2 RB, and that would let you use CMC the way they use Deebo. And would decrease the wear on CMC by sending someone else through the tackles.

Objectively, it's easier to find a way to replicate what Deebo gives you than to try and take a flyer on an elite route runner that Purdy will need to build rapport with from scratch.

We don't know if Bell is it or not. It's not like Kyle develops talent or give them enough burn

Yeah undrafted or super late round is the only time they should get a RB. It's been a failure getting one in the third. But then again Kyle is retarded. We really don't know what we got in TDP. This idiot acts like CMC is the only back

 

[Heretic]

@Heretic the play with Deebo wide open and the blitz at around 9 minute mark. Just a bad play and Brock would have to throw across his body or have a quick strike right away when he attempts to reset. I think Brock decided to play it conservatively and not making a hero throw.

Yeah he absolutely made the right play there.

 

[Heretic]

Put some RESPECK on this man’s name!!!

He's made some big plays for us but also some terrible ones. Most notably that play against the Rams that got us into to playoffs.

 

[Heretic]

here's my thinking: You need a 1st round/high 2nd receiver to try and replace Aiyuk's downfield production(Jennings ain't it, Bell ain't it, etc)
But... you could get a 3rd round RB to deal with losing Deebo.

Not because he's a 3rd round RB talent, but because the team could get good run production with a functional #2 RB, and that would let you use CMC the way they use Deebo. And would decrease the wear on CMC by sending someone else through the tackles.

Objectively, it's easier to find a way to replicate what Deebo gives you than to try and take a flyer on an elite route runner that Purdy will need to build rapport with from scratch.

Deebo is a lot harder to replace than you think. He's as important to the offense as CMC is. Deebo has proven he can be a #1 receiver and thr best running back. But in order for him to be the weapon we need him to be we have to have a good number 2 receiver or in our case a 1A or 1B which Aiyuk is.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[yseJ]

they just cant get caught napping on subbing, some teams really likes to fukk with subs when they are made like that

 

[Novembruh]

Deebo is a lot harder to replace than you think. He's as important to the offense as CMC is. Deebo has proven he can be a #1 receiver and thr best running back. But in order for him to be the weapon we need him to be we have to have a good number 2 receiver or in our case a 1A or 1B which Aiyuk is.

I don't disagree. But I think for the sake of Purdy's development, Aiyuk is less replaceable than Deebo, almost solely because of the state of the Oline. Deebo's plays are going to be defended with additional box players whether he's running or out on a route. The only way to combat that is to push the ball. Kittle can't be Kittle with the line like it is and liable to get worse if Trent finishes up after this year, which means less seams from him. So the only one that seems able to push the safeties back and work the middle of the field fast enough to pop open before the line fails the QB is Aiyuk. Gray ain't playing, Bell's skillset is better served as a slot/Deebo replacement, Jennings is a WR3 on every playoff-bound team at best and the team is in trouble if he's ever your #2... I just don't see an easy solution to needing to pay both.

But I think the team does better with Aiyuk-Bell than they do Samuel-Jennings, and I don't think it's close.

Mostly because the plays that were most dynamic for Deebo that would get him going in a game and force a team to account for him... just aren't happening. Be it because they are being run for CMC instead and his increased production comes at the cost of Deebo's, or because he's been hurt and out of games.

I could rock with the team going 2nd round on WR if they go and get a route runner with 4:4~ speed and great shuttle times. But even if they did, Kyle wouldn't play him for two years over some 'need to humble him and make sure he can block' shyt.

And I think another thing that isn't being looked at is, I don't think #44 is long for the league. And then the team either needs to try that 7th round TE they got as a half-back swiss army knife Delanie Walker type - which I'm all for - or, we're going to need to get comfortable fast with a run game that doesn't have a lead blocker. Which means even less route-running from Kittle. Which makes the issues that much worse.

I just don't see anyone else on the team able to develop into that 15-30 yard reception range type of player. But I see a whole embarrassment of riches on the 5-yard-slant/drag route/jet sweep side. And there's only one ball.

Perfect world, I'd love to see Mitchell and McCloud gone, Dwelley knocked down and see if we can get some production our of either TE drafted. Get a quality #2 back and make the primary formation Deebo, CMC, Aiyuk, Kittle, Willis. Kick Willis in to FB for lead runs - which can be done by 19 or 23. Split CMC out wide and you have 3 WR sets with both TEs blocking/chip-to-flat. Spell 19 or 23 with a RB and still have the same functionality for the most part.

Bell is #3 WR, but really ends up playing more like a WR5/ST guy since your 3-WR sets are almost always 11-19-23 and if you're ever in proper spread 4-WO formations that 4th is Kittle most times.

I just question what the team is getting out of Latu. Nothing now, but... will they get anything later, either?

 

[Bryan Danielson]