FunkDoc1112
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Yall keep peddling this rumor in 2021? There's no truth to the claim that Toriyama wanted to end it with Frieza
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Yall keep peddling this rumor in 2021? There's no truth to the claim that Toriyama wanted to end it with Frieza
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Piccolo was the most thorough villain. Breh was trapped in that rice cooker for 300 years and wasn't going back. Moved like a nikka fresh out a 10 year bid and getting back in the gameFrieza Sama
King Piccolo is HIGHLY slept on though my mans minions/sons were catching bodies and added the z fighters creating the legends of characters that died multiple timesAs an old man before his wish he BODIED Goku and pretty much killed him if not for Yajirobis help
No villain has done that since
.He's the only villain that actually achieved his goal.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Yeah, with Red that was the whole joke. Officer Black was even like "I voted King Piccolo, Vegeta, and Frieza.
King Piccolo is slept on (OG Dragonball as a whole is slept on, really). Dude legit took over the world and straight up murked the eternal dragon.
Vegeta was dope for his backstory and shared ancestry with Goku, which really opened up and expanded the Dragonball universe. His fight with Goku at the end of the Saiyan Saga was low key better than the Frieza fight (which was too long, IMO).
Frieza might be the overall GOAT villain in the franchise. He was ruthless from day 1 with a vast empire, ambitions towards universal conquest, and vast armies of evil henchmen that he routinely killed when they screwed up. Frieza did a lot more to push the narrative forward (destroying the planet Vegeta), and pushed Goku over the edge like no other villain has ever really done since. Super Saiyans are played out to me, but when Goku did it that first time after all that buildup…
For me Cell gets the number 4 spot.
He was dope when he was sneaking around and ducking the heroes, but I feel like his rise to power wasn’t really earned. He only got stronger because the heroes kept messing up. His trash talk at the end of the cell games was legendary though
I wouldn’t put Pilaf anywhere in my top 5, but I still like him. He was always a funny character because of his incompetence, and you could never truly get rid of him (in the OG Dragonball). He reminds me of Buggy the Clown in One Piece.
I’m not a fan of Buu. Buu is too much of a one note character IMO. Fat Buu was probably the most interesting just because that was the only version of Buu with any trace of personality, and he actually had an arc and interesting character dynamics (like his genuine friendship with Hercule).
I like the Red Ribbon saga, but Commander Red was a trash villain. You mean to tell me that he commissioned all of those weapons and soldiers to stage conquest and mass murder just for a wish to get taller!? Just buy a pair of platform shoes and be done with all that clown mess
(To be fair, Dragonball started as a gag manga so that might have been the point.)
Mercenary Tao was by far the dopest villain in that whole arc. I kind of wish he was one of the poll options.
You had us doing all this dirt and dropping like flies so you can be TALLER?" and that's why he clapped him.It's not a rumor, he wrote the outline for story and ended with freeza, they didn't know if Dragon Ball 2, (which is what its called Z was an error made because of the font) would be successful or not, so he ended the story at freeza, you gotta have the story outlined before you start drawing the manga man lmao
it had so much money the series was able to continue
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
nikka, what the fukk are you talking about????
First of all, Akira Toriyama had no outline - he has frequently mentioned he never planned anything besides Piccolo and Kami being aliens. He makes shyt up as he goes along. That's the why the Android saga had 3 different villains. The only time he ever planned on ending the series prematurely was when the show wasn't that popular in the first arc with Pilaf.
Furthermore - Dragon Ball 2? Where are you getting this shyt? For one thing, the split was only in the anime because Toei would get extra promotional money since it was techincally a new series, and the Saiyan saga just so happened to be the perfect point for them to split. For the manga it was a ll Dragon Ball, and it was always successful - there wasn't no damn uncertainty, DB was crushing the buildings during that era
And as far as the name - the Z was because it's the last letter of the alphabet. Toriyama always had projections of when he would wrap things up going back to the Red Ribbon arc, but he never had a planned ending. And by the time he hit those points, he'd be like "Well shyt, I got more story to tell so let's keep this rolling." For instance, in 1986, GToriyama said he forsaw DB lasting about 10 volumes. When they reached volume 10 he was like "Yeah I thought it'd be over by now but we're not even close and I still like doing this." He came up with the letter Z because he figured he would be ending it soon, only to change his mind. The popular rumor is that the fans complained or Toei forced him to keep going - but Frieza was revealed to be alive literally the chapter after he died, and chapters are completed weeks before they were published. AT has never said anything about wanting Frieza to be the last villain.
Where'd you even get any of that info from???? Just read through this, it has interviews, sources and everything:
Intended Endings Guide - Kanzenshuu
"It seems that the fourth volume is a Dragon Ball “world guide”. I think that the staff all worked very hard, particularly on the buildings’ layouts, the maps, and whatnot. On top of just sloppily drawing things by the seat of my pants, there are many things that not even I had precisely determined. Weren’t they a bit fed up with how things didn’t come together consistently? I’m very sorry."
Translations | Daizenshuu 2 - Shenlong Times
Takeda: And then serialization began, but from the beginning, how much of the story had you already planned?
Toriyama: I hadn’t thought it up at all. I figured it would probably end in about a year, and I had only really prepared storyboards for three chapters.
Translations | Daizenshuu 5 - Shenlong Times
The title changed from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z along the way; what sort of reason was there for this change?
Morishyta: That was just enthusiasm for new plot developments. (laughs)
Shimizu: No; actually, we fretted a great deal about that title. Originally, we called it “Gohan’s Great Adventure” for the longest time. (laughs)
Morishyta: That’s right; because we thought it would go with Gohan as the main character.
Shimizu: And then Toriyama-sensei said things like, “No, the protagonist is really Goku.” Then we asked, “Is that so? Then what should we do about the title?” and he replied, “Wouldn’t it be cool with just a Z?” “Ah, that’s OK,” and with that, it was decided. (large outburst of laughter)
Morishyta: Looking back now, that Z doesn’t seem very out-of-place, but it did at first. So we’d have to explain the Z, in a variety of aspects. That it was the final chapter, or that it was linked to “A”…. After about a year had passed, however, those questions went away. It really does grow on you. But originally, it was a surprise, because to us, it was “Gohan’s Great Adventure”.
Shimizu: It must have caused quite a stir when that happened. (laughs)
Koyama: Even so, the one thing we tried to avoid was the image that it was the end. It would would have a negative sense with “this is the end”. We really obsessed over that.
Morishyta: After that, other works with a letter of the alphabet attached to them started coming out, didn’t they?
Shimizu: Yes. With an R, or an S, for instance.1 (laughs)
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JuvenileHell
Veteran
Frieza made Goku go super saiyan for the first time. He'll always be the GOAT
This isn't true, Toriyama had no plan and made it up as he went along. He's said that many times in interviews
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
i honestly don't see how this can even be debated
Yall on some shyt, Buu was scary.
dakidbanks
Superstar
Does Beerus really count as a villain?
Malik1time
What you looking at?
People sleep on buu but that nikka blew up planet earth, beat majin Vegeta, had gohan throw the towel(twice) whoop gotenks, finesse goku and Vegeta, wipe out all life on planet earth, pulled up to nikkas in the afterlife for a fade
Cell
Freiza
don't consider Vegeta a straight up villain
He was definitely a straight up villain in the Saiyan Saga. There was nothing remotely sympathetic about Vegeta until MAYBE the end of the Frieza Saga.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Yeah Vegeta was a
dude even by Saiyan standards. Had Nappa like when he didn't want to bring back Raditz and blew up that Saibaman.And even until the end of the Cell saga, he's still the "evil" teammate that the heroes can't stand to be around, actively sabotages the plot for his ego, and has no qualms about innocent people being collateral damage (he murked all them drivers while fighting 18
)