Top 10 Atheist Who give People A Bad Name

kingofnyc

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And now you resort to this......LOL. I gave you more than enough information to find it. Not my fault you're too stupid, lazy and butthurt to find it yourself. Once again to rub it in......



Jim Jones was an atheist.......:umad:

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how many times i gotta say this interview or convo -whatever u wanna call it
was off the books
 

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Read page 29 about the hypothesis. Secularization, Broad Social Disengagement, Delays in Marriage, and Do not want to identify with Conservative politics....

How did they forget to add the fact that people are just naturally becoming more logical and introspective than they have been in the past? Mindbogglingly considering that Alan Cooperman n them are some of the most respected researchers on this topic in the world.

I'm sorry, I'm missing your point?
 

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I'm sorry, I'm missing your point?

If you can't even guess the point, or at least the undertones of 'relevant to the site we're on' sarcasm, then I guess there's no point in discussing.

Good night.
 

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The very point of being an atheist for me is that I THINK FOR MYSELF, believing in what I want to believe (and not because someone told me to believe) and not letting anyone act or say something in my name. Therefore not a valid argument for me.
So what if you really thought about the universe and the complexities, probability, the design, and the fact that there's a good chance the intelligent organisms aren't developed from inanimate matter - at the very least not by the most statically improbable way ever- aka at random. What if you life improved because of your belief system? If you thought all that and figured there probably was a God - would that automatically place you in the category of mindless drone who can't think for himself and probably has a difficult time figuring out how to brush his teeth in the morning unless a Bishop or Imam tells him how?

Does not believing in God, automatically make u the type of person is thinks independently? Does it make you immune to ideological and philosophical influence and manipulation?

Is a belief in God automatically giving someone a right to say something in your name or does it simply allow someone to guide you in your faith if you chose?

I personnaly don't say that religion in itself is a problem, but rather religion as an organized political force that can very easily brainwash persons. We know that atheists have done horrible things, same with religious persons, but the difference is that while you can kill a dictator and move on ,you can't kill a religion.
There are religions that are no longer practiced... some faded, some were killed. You may not be able to stop an idea or concept with a bullet or a sword, but you can get rid of it with other ideas.... And FYI we are brain washed about sooo much sh1t as people, not just religious ideas. Religious ideas are just singled out because they are easy, they are prominent, and they are an easy scapegoat for natural human motivations and behaviors.

(I have no idea who Jim Jones is, not sure if that comment was addressed to me)
He was an atheist who wanted a socialist communist brainwashed perverted utopian society. He didn't want anyone closing in on his life's work or people... so he "saved" them.
 

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I don't want to concede the points :umad:

So he was an atheist... but why is it important to say he wasn't? What he did, had nothing to do with him being an atheist or religious. .....

Well, he did make comments about bringing people away from God; but that in itself wouldn't explain his evilness because there are so many atheist that wish all religion would go away so that the world would automatically become a better place - and those people aren't evil.

And off the book? First off, recorded government tapes are .... ON the books. They have those. But even if he was only randomly talking sh1t, he talked that sh1t over a number of years. Geez I make deals at my job worth madd money, half those convos are off the books.. that doesn't mean they don't count- relationships are built on your word and delivery; Also, some things don't need to be on the books. So if I was to say Malcolm X didn't cheat on his wife with a white porn star - are u gonna ask for a published document signed by him stating that?

People's Temple was a quasi-religious organization founded in 1955 by Jim Jones. By the mid-1970s it included over a dozen locations in California including its headquarters in San Francisco. Despite its public persona as a Christian church, Jones was in fact an atheist[1] who intentionally adopted the guise of an Evangelical Christian preacher in an attempt to destroy the Christian religion and replace it with Communist ideology.
 

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kingofnyc said:
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how many times i gotta say this interview or convo -whatever u wanna call it
was off the books

But he did NOT state this 'off-the-record'.......

Jim Jones said:
"Well, thank you for the feedback, ‘cause, I must say, I felt somewhat hypocritical for the last years as I became uh, an atheist, uh, I have become uh, you— you feel uh, tainted, uh, by being in the church situation. But of course, everyone knows where I’m at. My bishop knows that I’m an atheist. He— He knows that I— I— I recognize only love, when I say— I’ll say, "God is Love"— well, you heard my preaching. You know where I’m at."
 

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So what if you really thought about the universe and the complexities, probability, the design, and the fact that there's a good chance the intelligent organisms aren't developed from inanimate matter - at the very least not by the most statically improbable way ever- aka at random. What if you life improved because of your belief system? If you thought all that and figured there probably was a God - would that automatically place you in the category of mindless drone who can't think for himself and probably has a difficult time figuring out how to brush his teeth in the morning unless a Bishop or Imam tells him how?

Does not believing in God, automatically make u the type of person is thinks independently? Does it make you immune to ideological and philosophical influence and manipulation?

Is a belief in God automatically giving someone a right to say something in your name or does it simply allow someone to guide you in your faith if you chose?

The whole point of being religious is "believing" without questioning and/or understanding, that's why we talk about "Faith". Now if a religious person is critical enough to actually think and intellectually question his belief, and STILL believe afterwards, that's cool with me. But too many use the "because Jesus said so/because it's written in the Bible" "logic", that's just intellectually lazy, and I can't take it seriously.

Mind you, it's the same for everything: if someone doesn't question his government's policies just because "I believe in Obama/Merkel/Cameron/whoever", it's the exact same type of blind and intelectually weak sheep mentality.

As I answered to someone earlier in the thread, if a position/opinion/belief comes come from reasoning instead of "that's what God wants/that's just the way it is" and that person is open to discussion and self-criticism, then it's all good. I know religious and non-religious people who fit in this category.

On the other hand, people (religious and non-religious) who also just "follow" whatever their priest/imam/president says without questioning it get the :childplease:

There are religions that are no longer practiced... some faded, some were killed. You may not be able to stop an idea or concept with a bullet or a sword, but you can get rid of it with other ideas.... And FYI we are brain washed about sooo much sh1t as people, not just religious ideas. Religious ideas are just singled out because they are easy, they are prominent, and they are an easy scapegoat for natural human motivations and behaviors.

Religious ideas are singled out because of history, just look at how religion has been used to enslave, conquer land, "civilize", burn "witches" and "heretics" (who often happened to be intellectuals) etc. Are religions the only things to blame? No, but other ideologies we could compare them to (capitalism, communism) don't have centuries of "experience" behind them.

He was an atheist who wanted a socialist communist brainwashed perverted utopian society. He didn't want anyone closing in on his life's work or people... so he "saved" them.

So he's just another nutso who abused other people's stupidity/sheep-like manners. From what I see, he did so by creating a cult, so whether he was an atheist or not he knew that religion-like organisations is the perfect trap to "save" people.
 
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