Top 10 Atheist Who give People A Bad Name

[Blackking]

Well, if you think my definition is FUBAR, then only one of us knows what an atheist is. It's in fact you that's using the reconstructed definition of these terms, not me. Atheists aren't as certain and positive as their believing counterparts, and historically, agnosticism isn't this completely neutral middle ground. In modern times it has been redefined to mean that, but historically agnosticism doesn't mean one is neither a believer nor disbeliever.



Sure. But just like there are different types of theists, there are different types of atheists. Talking about something not being complicated. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand.



Sure, the English language is based on a lot of root words from other languages. The only thing you've demonstrated is that you don't understand what they mean. "Without Theism" doesn't mean every atheist believes the God idea is made up. It's just simply they don't have a theistic belief! You're taking it 10 steps forward, and strawmanning atheism to make it seem irrational. I'm sorry, but that's not going to fly here.



If anyone is redefining A to equal C it's you. You're the one that's defining atheists to mean believing that God is made up. That's not necessarily true for all atheists.

But I think you missed my point entirely. Maybe I can put it a different way: Imagine a venn diagram with two circles that do not overlap. In one circle marked Theism you have Christians, Jews, Deists, Hindus, etc...every religion/god belief ever known to man. Any position outside of those beliefs is atheism. If one isn't in those groups that have a belief in god, then they are atheist. Agnostics are included because they also do not have a belief in god. You don't have to hold the position that god is made up, or god 100% doesn't exist to fall in that category.



Yes, and see what I posted above in response to that. Sure, in recent history, the term agnosticism has been used popularly to describe that person, but it's a redefinition of the word.

Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

word meaning - definition of word meaning by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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Belief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NoMayo15]

You can't be neither a theist nor an atheist, as these are mutually exclusive. Just like you can't be both a human, and not a human. What you're doing is saying agnostics are neither human, nor not human. That doesn't make sense logically because either a thing is human or it's not. Or red and not red. Something can't be neither of those things. If you understood logic (A=A & A=/=notA), you'd understand why the term is nonsensical in the way that you're using it

 

[Blackking]

ok. But if I'm the king of a nation. If WW3 is going on, and I'm not at war, I'm a neutral nation. There may be allied nations, and enemy nations... Just because I'm neither doesn't make me, not a nation. ... It just makes me, not a nation at war. Just like agnostics. They aren't telling atheist that they're shortsighted, or telling theist that they're inherently ignorant. They do neither because their thought process ends at open possibilities and not knowing either way.

 

[NoMayo15]

ok. But if I'm the king of a nation. If WW3 is going on, and I'm not at war, I'm a neutral nation. There may be allied nations, and enemy nations...

Yes, but being neutral does not make you NOT at war.

THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF AGNOSTIC ATHEISM. This is why agnostics get grouped with non-belief ... they have no god belief. Agnostics are not at war. Atheists are not at war. Theists are those countries at war.

 

[Blackking]

Yes, but being neutral does not make you NOT at war.

THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF AGNOSTIC ATHEISM. This is why agnostics get grouped with non-belief ... they have no god belief. Agnostics are not at war. Atheists are not at war. Theists are those countries at war.

First off, that is not the real reason they are grouped that way. Second, if my nation is not at war... I'm not grouped with either side. sure I may feel like one side might be right on Tuesday, but I really don't know. The two nations that would be at war are, Both at war because it takes more than one to have an opposition or competing idea.

Also, my analogy is stupid, you shouldn't have kept it going. But since you did. Based on the war premise with two sides being at opposite; Atheist are at war, agnostics aren't.

 

[NoMayo15]

First off, that is not the real reason they are grouped that way.

So you're saying it's more likely that there's this atheist conspiracy to fluff up the numbers of non-believers?!? Lmao, you sad, sad man.

Second, if my nation is not at war... I'm not grouped with either side. sure I may feel like one side might be right on Tuesday, but I really don't know. The two nations that would be at war are, Both at war because it takes more than one to have an opposition or competing idea.

Also, my analogy is stupid, you shouldn't have kept it going. But since you did. Based on the war premise with two sides being at opposite; Atheist are at war, agnostics aren't.

No, you're stupid because you don't understand the analogy you posited. A country is either at war or not. The neutral country is not at war -- It can't be neither at war AND not at war. However, that's exactly what your saying agnostics/neutral countries are -- neither at war nor not at war. You're wrong. The country is both neutral and not at war. Agnostics are both neutral and "not at war". "At war" in this case is theism. A person either believes in a god or they don't. One cannot neither believe nor not believe. Therefore if you don't have an active belief, you are thought of as a non-believer.

 

[Blackking]

So you're saying it's more likely that there's this atheist conspiracy to fluff up the numbers of non-believers?!? Lmao, you sad, sad man.



No, you're stupid because you don't understand the analogy you posited. A country is either at war or not. The neutral country is not at war -- It can't be neither at war AND not at war. However, that's exactly what your saying agnostics/neutral countries are -- neither at war nor not at war. You're wrong. The country is both neutral and not at war. Agnostics are both neutral and "not at war". "At war" in this case is theism. A person either believes in a god or they don't. One cannot neither believe nor not believe. Therefore if you don't have an active belief, you are thought of as a non-believer.

conspiracies are mostly untrue and are considered hidden. I wouldn't say conspiracy because it's there to read and obvious.


Anyway, 'at war' is not just theism in that case, it is also atheist in this analogy. You can be at war with yourself (and to be really religious this is unavoidable), however, atheism is also at war in the analogy.

fyi, Nonbelief - Synonyms and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

I neither belief or not belief that you are homosexual. I'm neutral, I don't know you, so I don't know. I'm not a "non believer" in you're homosexual ways... I simply have a nonbelief.

 

[NoMayo15]

I neither belief or not belief that you are homosexual. I'm neutral, I don't know you, so I don't know. I'm not a "non believer" in you're homosexual ways... I simply have a nonbelief.

And this is exactly the position of some atheists. They don't know if there is a god, but they have no belief that one exists.

 

[Blackking]

And this is exactly the position of some atheists. They don't know if there is a god, but they have no belief that one exists.

take a poll of the atheist just on this very forum. If I took a poll of the atheist in my work place, the all would disagree with you- I'm basing this on how they speak.

 

[NoMayo15]

take a poll of the atheist just on this very forum. If I took a poll of the atheist in my work place, the all would disagree with you- I'm basing this on how they speak.

Okay, so you don't accept the actual legitimate polls that are done by reputable organizations, but you're okay with the opinions of mostly trolls on the internet, or anecdotal examples from co-workers. Seems legit.

 

[Blackking]

Okay, so you don't accept the actual legitimate polls that are done by reputable organizations, but you're okay with the opinions of mostly trolls on the internet, or anecdotal examples from co-workers. Seems legit.

I trust the legitimate polls. Im speaking on the people who lump everyone who doesn't show up to a Southern Baptist Church service on Weds and Sundays as an atheist.

And anecdotal doesn't mean something isn't real life or true.. statistical studies are difficult with this.

Seven in 10 Americans Are Very or Moderately Religious

 

[NoMayo15]

I trust the legitimate polls. Im speaking on the people who lump everyone who doesn't show up to a Southern Baptist Church service on Weds and Sundays as an atheist.

And anecdotal doesn't mean something isn't real life or true.. statistical studies are difficult with this.

Seven in 10 Americans Are Very or Moderately Religious

This study is very generous in the numbers it reports of nonbelievers ... probably due to the methodology. The only thing we can determine from it is how many people do or do not find religion to be an important part of their daily lives.... not so much of what position they have on the existence of a deity. In anything I've read, usually the range of non-belief ranges from 5-15 percent atheist/agnostics. I think this study from Pew is a little bit more in depth and does a better job determining which category people fall into.

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Unaffiliated/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf

As expected, the religiously unaffiliated are less likely than the general public as a whole to believe in God. However, there are stark differences in this regard between the unaffiliated who identify themselves as atheist or agnostic and those who describe their religion as “nothing in particular. ”Among the “nothing in particulars,” about eight-in-ten (81%) say they believe in God or a universal spirit – and a plurality of those who believe in God say they are “absolutely certain” about this belief. In addition, about four-in-ten (38%) atheists and agnostics (including 14% of atheists and 56% of agnostics) say they believe in God or a universal spirit.

 

[Blackking]

This study is very generous in the numbers it reports of nonbelievers ... probably due to the methodology. The only thing we can determine from it is how many people do or do not find religion to be an important part of their daily lives.... not so much of what position they have on the existence of a deity. In anything I've read, usually the range of non-belief ranges from 5-15 percent atheist/agnostics. I think this study from Pew is a little bit more in depth and does a better job determining which category people fall into.

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Unaffiliated/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf

Read page 29 about the hypothesis. Secularization, Broad Social Disengagement, Delays in Marriage, and Do not want to identify with Conservative politics....

How did they forget to add the fact that people are just naturally becoming more logical and introspective than they have been in the past? Mindbogglingly considering that Alan Cooperman n them are some of the most respected researchers on this topic in the world.

 

[Slang]

Read page 29 about the hypothesis. Secularization, Broad Social Disengagement, Delays in Marriage, and Do not want to identify with Conservative politics....

How did they forget to add the fact that people are just naturally becoming more logical and introspective than they have been in the past? Mindbogglingly considering that Alan Cooperman n them are some of the most respected researchers on this topic in the world.

 

[ThatTruth777]

this can easily be flipped...