To all those that are Anti-Police, Serious question

[Isaiah Bradley]

Like most have already said, no anti police stance exist
The resentment and distrust of the pigs wouldn't exist if the judicial system did its part to hold "bad" cops accountable
The resentment and distrust of the pigs wouldn't exist if "good" cops were publicly holding "bad" cops accountable

If you were to apply the lack of accountability notion to corporations(execs and non-execs), family dynamics(sibling and parents), and news TV(what to report/not to report) , then you will have low employee moral, a dysfunctional family, and a bias labeled network (not necessarily low ratings, which is a problem to discuss for another thread)

But as usual when it comes to black folks, most people regardless of color, especially other blacks, expect a different reaction to scenarios that demands one type of reaction

 

[frankster]

stop trying to project your feelings, what i wanted to ask was asked. and I am not mentioning police corruption because there is threads in which individuals have mentioned good things cops have done or mentioned the death of a cop and many users respond with or dap up comments that read "fukk all 12" or "Kill all cops".

I am not saying that there isn't any corruptions in relation to law enforcement but my biggest question is how do people plan on protecting themselves and families (let alone, neighborhood) if all police go absent. lol you coli dude's love to find ways to get up on ya shyt don't cha?

To the question of "can we police ourselves" has been answered in the affirmative

If the Black Panther Party was allowed to evolve and exist I have no doubt in my mind that they would have been a good neighborhood watch....because of state sanction oppression, suppression, misinformation, agent provocateurs the party and its members became dysfunctional.


Back in the 80' and early 90' the Fruit Of Islam did a great job in many crime and drug ridden communities.

 

[Jorvan]

stop trying to project your feelings, what i wanted to ask was asked. and I am not mentioning police corruption because there is threads in which individuals have mentioned good things cops have done or mentioned the death of a cop and many users respond with or dap up comments that read "fukk all 12" or "Kill all cops".

I am not saying that there isn't any corruptions in relation to law enforcement but my biggest question is how do people plan on protecting themselves and families (let alone, neighborhood) if all police go absent. lol you coli dude's love to find ways to get up on ya shyt don't cha?

The reason I’m “projecting my feelings” is because your question reminds me of bait questions that I often hear from whites. Like when they throw crime statics at you but can’t be bothered to have an in-depth discussion about how it’s been documented that cops specifically target black neighborhoods while ignoring whites ones. They just want to have a controlled debate. Don’t care about if their question is being actually answered, they just care about proving to themselves that they were right.

As I said earlier, it’s a dumb question to ask how we would plan to protect ourselves without cops when blacks as a whole have ever said that we should do away with cops. Saying “fukk 12” is not the equivalent of “get rid of the police system and let’s self-police.” fukk 12 means “fukk these crooked motherfukkers until they get their shyt straight”.

Last but not least, you act like blacks are the only people with problems with the police. Before this onslaught of police brutality cases, it wasn’t hard to find a white person who a bone to pick with the law. The only reason they’re singing a different tune now is because whites tend to criticize any black movement. If blacks started protesting that 2+2=4, whites would draw up on the other side proclaiming 2+2=5, just to be spiteful dikks.

 

[Nomadum]

To the question of "can we police ourselves" has been answered in the affirmative

If the Black Panther Party was allowed to evolve and exist I have no doubt in my mind that they would have been a good neighborhood watch....because of state sanction oppression, suppression, misinformation, agent provocateurs the party and its members became dysfunctional.


Back in the 80' and early 90' the Fruit Of Islam did a great job in many crime and drug ridden communities.

I know about this, but we can't say "what if's" because then is not now. I am asking from a purely current focal point. right now, in 2015, is it possible for people to come together and defend against violence in their own community without the aid of police? I know history has examples, but you have to admit that right now, it is hard uniting blacks under anything other than tennis shoes, ignorance and self hatred (neg all you want, you know that shyt true)

 

[Soon]

"Hey he's a good guy" or "The Blue Line of Silence" is why people don't like cops. That video of those cops shooting that hispanic dude in the driveway 3 seconds AFTER dude put his hands up and was unarmed, and that video in North Carolina of the cop shooting the unarmed suspect in the back while he was fleeing on foot. THAT is why people don't like cops.

True, indeed.

Power unchecked is dangerous, Un-American, and Unconstitutional. Even soldiers have to abide by the Geneva conventions, but cops don't have to abide by any rules, not even the Constitution...they even laugh at the Constitution when people flex their rights.

#AllLivesMatter are pretty much fake ass patriots, pro-police folks who do not feel the Constitution applies to all citizens.

These pro-police guys are a threat to freedom everywhere.

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” Martin Luther King, Jr.

“Tyranny anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.” Alex Storozynski

 

[ExodusNirvana]

True, indeed.

Power unchecked is dangerous, Un-American, and Unconstitutional. Even soldiers have to abide by the Geneva conventions, but cops don't have to abide by any rules, not even the Constitution...they even laugh at the Constitution when people flex their rights.

Funny thing is...soldiers are told they can't do fukk shyt like maim an enemy or desecrate their bodies and shyt

If you quoted penal law to a cop in NYC, chances are he would not know it. I'd put money on it. Know why? Because most cops are fukking stupid. And it's not even their fault but the NYPD doesn't want "smart" cops and interviews with cops (who wanted to remain anonymous for obvious reasons that I have stated before) have more or less confirmed that they don't, because smart cops rock the boat, smart cops move on from this bullshyt job into more lucrative or fulfilling work, and smart cops will have IA breathing down the necks of everyone, drumming up bad sentiments in the media, and have the mayor, police commissioner, and the Governor up their ass.

So yeah if you quoted the law...actual and factual...a cop most likely wouldn't know and would probably just arrest you anyways and deal with the bullshyt of a false arrest than to actually know what they can and can't do.

 

[frankster]

I know about this, but we can't say "what if's" because then is not now. I am asking from a purely current focal point. right now, in 2015, is it possible for people to come together and defend against violence in their own community without the aid of police? I know history has examples, but you have to admit that right now, it is hard uniting blacks under anything other than tennis shoes, ignorance and self hatred (neg all you want, you know that shyt true)

The question you asked, is a "what if" question to which I am responding with real actual historical precedent.
Here is your question

do you think you could effectively, justly and rationally safe guard your own neighborhood, block, or house without resorting to violence against other black men? even if the individual is posing a threat or potential threat to you?

My answer is emphatically yes......
Black people all over the world police themselves....why would we not be able to do so in the US?
Given the proper opportunity and tools.....yes
In the US blacks have at one time or place filled every facet of law enforcement....sure we can.

 

[Self_Born7]

the police are not here to protect you, there are only used to enforce laws... look it up...

 

[TheAlbionist]

I'm not anti-Police, I'm pro-Police-reform.

 

[Fenian]

We need some kind of policing but the current corrupt snd racist model in my country and especially the usa has to be scrapped.

Communities can be very effective at policing themselves. Just look at free Derry in Ireland who kept the police out for 3 years between 1969 and 1972. There wasnt a sudden increase in crime.

And even today locals do a better job of keeping crime and drugs off the streets than the cops.

 

[buffruff]

Let's say some how you could wake up and all police officers in the city disappeared for let's says 24 hours. basically making everything legal as there is not force to enforce laws. do you think you could effectively, justly and rationally safe guard your own neighborhood, block, or house without resorting to violence against other black men? even if the individual is posing a threat or potential threat to you?

Just trying to gauge the mindset's

Hell no the police is the only reason the gangs in some black communties havent become full fledge warlords controlling entire cities. Like what we see in Baltimore back in May, police leave the gang boys started taking over. Need cops to control these ruthless thugs who would shoot you for fun.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Police are necessary to protect the interests of the rich and powerful - the ruling class. They employ violence to achieve their ends. Your scenario doesn't even make sense, unless you're implying the economic system has also changed, from capitalism to socialism. In that case, community/neighborhood policing and restorative justice can replace the institutions of class terror that we now live under.

 

[Easy-E]

Let's say some how you could wake up and all police officers in the city disappeared for let's says 24 hours. basically making everything legal as there is not force to enforce laws. do you think you could effectively, justly and rationally safe guard your own neighborhood, block, or house without resorting to violence against other black men? even if the individual is posing a threat or potential threat to you?

Just trying to gauge the mindset's

Stop right there. Of course if everything was legal they would be chaos.

You're shaping this question to make it seem the cops exist to prevent chaos. The fact of the matter (anecdotally) of course; we see more cops the worst the neighborhood is. And rich neighborhood get along fine without cops everywhere. There is nothing that says police presence controls crime. That is a complex issue.

Yes, I think patrolling neighborhoods should be left to the people. Cops aren't some ancient concept.

The problem needs to be solve when you have agents of the government harassing poor people throughout the country. I could stand to have less of that.

 

[JahFocus CS]

To all the people worried about gang members... at least you could defend yourself against a gang member, up to and including lethal methods. No such thing as individual self-defense against the police, unless you're ready for the entire armed apparatus of the government to pursue you

 

[buffruff]

To all the people worried about gang members... at least you could defend yourself against a gang member, up to and including lethal methods. No such thing as individual self-defense against the police, unless you're ready for the entire armed apparatus of the government to pursue you

Man you have no idea how dangerous these gang nikkas are, you shoot one of them they gone kill your fam then kill you later.