murksiderock
Superstar
If you think Kawhi's best is comparable to Bron's give an example of what you think these guys' best is...
At no benchmark is Kawhi an "equal" to Bron. Not at 1 year, 2 years, 14 years, 13 years, none...
Time To Give Kawhi His Flowers
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At no benchmark is Kawhi an "equal" to Bron. Not at 1 year, 2 years, 14 years, 13 years, none...
Just praying for good heath right now. The flowers will come
Tookalossfellbackcameback
Superstar
I been trying to chill and just let you live because I know you're a Bron stanley but you keep posting so much dumb shyt I can't let it slide.
Nicca the ONE year Kawhi was in Toronto he was better than LeBron THAT season...and it's not an opinion because he finished 2nd team all NBA (higher than your mans), won a chip and was Finals MVP. Finished 6th for DPOY and averaged 26.6. Bron didn't even make the cotdamn playoffs.
I didn't have to dig too deep either. When Kawhi is healthy he affects the game just like Bron, KD and Curry did in their own ways.
Bron has not been the undisputed best player in the league from '03 til now uninterrupted...to think that is childlike, "Bron is my superhero" stupidity. Kawhi has been better at times, KD has been better at times...and others as well.
LETS REVISIT AFTER PLAYOFFS
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BlueHeffner
Veteran
What 3 years are you using for peak kawhi?
When he was winning dpoy, he was averaging 21 ppg at 23-24 years old.
Theres no way in hell a 24 year old kawhi was better than a peak KD or Steph
When he was tasked with being the scorer the other two are, he was barely playing 60 games a season.
BigTyme Records
Superstar
Fukk nah. Him being constantly injured made me rank him lower
This nikka always injured
This nikka always injured
Neither of them should be compared to LeBron realistically.
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
So you had them 6th when everyone else had them 13th going into the season huh?
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
People talking about he “should be” doing this because he didn’t start playing until January, as if Luka didn’t do the same thing. In Luka’s case he didn’t start playing until then because he was fat (and still is).
Kawhi is playing both ends of the floor at an elite level after a major injury; Luka is giving you one offensive explosion every 3 games because he won’t get in shape. I don’t see the same “he should be doing this” energy when Luka gets 30
Kawhi is playing both ends of the floor at an elite level after a major injury; Luka is giving you one offensive explosion every 3 games because he won’t get in shape. I don’t see the same “he should be doing this” energy when Luka gets 30
murksiderock
Superstar
You think you cooking when you really just have a hard time comprehending. So let's try this again...
What I said was that at no benchmark of his career has Kawhi been an equal of LeBron's, which is what you or someone else said: "peak Kawhi was equal to LeBron". If you feel that way, define his "peak", you didn't implicitly do so, but you referenced 2019, so we'll start there...
Kawhi is 8 years younger than Bron in basketball years and '19 was the first year LeBron got hurt. Yes, he was better than LeBron that year...
'19 was Y8 Kawhi, at the same benchmark/point of his career, was '11 LeBron. Kawhi had a better Finals than Y8 Bron. Using your same criteria, Y8 Bron was 3rd in MVP voting after being the reigning b2b MVP---->Y8 Kawhi was not a better basketball player than that guy...
I can already tell that I'm dealing with a "2011 Finals" guy in you, though
Kawhi is in Y14 now, he's not better than Bron at the same age (2017 Bron)...
At no point did I say that Kawhi has never been better than Bron. I'll repeat what I said since reading English is difficult for you. I'm the only person here who has tried to define Kawhi's peak, all you other nikkas generically throwing out the word with no definition and using buzz words like "health". At the healthiest version of them both, Kawhi was not an equal basketball player to LeBron; at the peak version of them both, Kawhi was not an equal basketball player to LeBron...
I think Kawhi's 3-year peak was 16/17/18; Steph's was 15/16/17, but let me add a disclaimer here too:
Somebody will read this and say he had his first injury year in '18, how was that Kawhi's peak, and my response to that is simple. Plenty of players have gotten hurt during their peak, "peak" doesn't mean you never get hurt. "Peak" means when were you playing your best ball, and he bounced right back from that injury with '19, which is his t-4th greatest season of his career to me (with '20). He got hurt in '18, but '18 is in his 3-year peak because it follows the two strongest seasons of his career ('16 and '17)...
With that said, I'll correct myself, that I think Steph had a stronger 3-year peak, because it's the injury year that wins it for Steph. I think the highest absolute year of ball from both players was 2016, and Steph wins that fairly easily, bit '16 Kawhi was awesome and clears a lot of All Timers in 1-year peak. He followed thar year up with '17, which, he was better than '17 Steph, not quite the distance between '16 Steph and '16 Kawhi, but '17 Kawhi was clearly better than '17 Steph...
So if it's written as a scorecard, I have 1-year peak easily Steph, and thru 2-year peak, it draws fairly close but the gap in 1-year means Steph had the higher 2-year peak...
3-year Kawhi brings in 2018, while 3-year Steph is 15/16/17; that injury affects the dynamic, so on the scorecard Steph had the higher 1-yr, 2-yr, and 3-yr peaks...
My initial post, was before I dug back into it; I dug into alot of this stuff in years past, but it's been awhile since I've looked into it, so I misspoke. I said it was "arguable" Kawhi had a better 3-year peak, but what my memory was attempting to say was, 4-year and 5-year peak Kawhi, has a case arguable as better than 4-year or 5-year Steph (and Durant)...
At any case, I was wrong on the 3-year thing. This means Steph has had a longer prime, a more consistently great career, and peaked higher in his best 3-year string of play than Kawhi, so I was right in my memory understanding that Lawhi isnt close to him on a historical, All-Time level...
Last caveat on Kawhi though, I'll say that the playoff level Kawhi reached in G1 2017 WCF, thru 3 quarters, vs that kinda competition (2017 Dubs), is a higher playoff level than I've ever seen from Steph, which was a high level ('22 Finals) but vs clearly inferior competition. So that's a feather in Kawhi's cap, and is something that probably entered the memory on my initial statement, the remembrance that the highest degree of playoff domination I've seen from him is better than anything I ever saw from Steph...
SuaveyBoi115
All Star
Let’s wait and see him finish a playoff run healthy first. Last playoff run he got through healthy was the bubble year 
People talking about he “should be” doing this because he didn’t start playing until January, as if Luka didn’t do the same thing. In Luka’s case he didn’t start playing until then because he was fat (and still is).
Kawhi is playing both ends of the floor at an elite level after a major injury; Luka is giving you one offensive explosion every 3 games because he won’t get in shape. I don’t see the same “he should be doing this” energy when Luka gets 30
LUKA STILL PLAYED 50 GAMES.
KAWHI DIDNT EVEN PLAY
HALF THE SEASON
