Time To Give Kawhi His Flowers

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The only players in NBA history who could be argued as equals to LeBron at peak play, have long stopped playing...and you could count those guys on one hand and have a finger or two left over.

You could definitely argue that the apex version of Kawhi is better than the best of Steph or Durant, though...

Harden is one of my favorite players ever, but more than that he's one of the greatest scorers and players ever. History will be much more kind to his legacy...

I'd love to see my guy win it all...
Yall nikkas just say anything on this site
 

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Yall nikkas just say anything on this site
Where is the lie?

Durant was better earlier in his career than Kawhi; and both Durant and Steph have outlasted Kawhi as far as having more consistent, meaningful, longer primes. Those are legacy points in those guys favor; Kawhi is losing that bullet point to them...

Steph has the highest 1-year peak of those three, but Steph has a higher 1-year peak than a lot of guys. I'm not really a fan of the 1-year peak as a point of comparison, because there are plenty of players who have one season that stands out as an anomaly in their career, versus the rest of the their prime. So I prefer to guage guys by a 3-year, or 5-year, peak...

Kawhi is losing the prime battle overall to both guys. But peak play, sure if its a one-year peak, its clearly Steph; if its a 3+ year peak, its like I said in my post, you could definitely make the argument that Kawhi peaked higher than both guys...

Relax though g, Kawhi aint any threat to either guy's overall resume, the window he had to do that was the first couple years after winning in '19. He's not a better historical player than either, but I think his peak is debatable with both...
 

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2015-21. And that version if Kawhi is not comparable to the best version of LeBron that existed, maybe not the best three versions of Bron. That nikka tripping...

Coli again saying Kawhi on equal footing as Lebron 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The best version of Kawhi is not better than the worst version of Bron. Kawhi is several grades below Lebron and it’s not even close
Kawhi in his prime was a top 5 two-way player of all time. Kawhi could lock down the best player on defense then lead his team in scoring on offense. That is a very rare skillset in NBA history. LeBron's is a top 5 five playmaker, but its easier to find an elite playmaker than an elite two-way player.
 

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Kawhi in his prime was a top 5 two-way player of all time. Kawhi could lock down the best player on defense then lead his team in scoring on offense. That is a very rare skillset in NBA history. LeBron's is a top 5 five playmaker, but its easier to find an elite playmaker than an elite two-way player.
If Kawhi was a Top 5 two-way player ever (was he really? Top 5??), LeBron must be one of the other 4 guys. LeBron's offensive peak is significantly higher than Kawhi's, it's not even close. Defensive peak, while I'd entertain an argument that Kawhi's defensive peak was slightly higher, it certainly wasn't by much, as Kawhi's defensive peak coincided with other elite defenders around him, and he was never a rim protector...

Kawhi's legacy is being one of the most dominant perimeter, on-ball defenders ever. I gotta put some thoughts in to think if he's Top 5 at that, but he's certainly really high, historically...

LeBron at his defensive peak wasn't quite as strong on ball but he more than makes up the difference with a historically great defensive versatility, and an ability to anchor elite defenses with few to no other elite defenders with him. That versatility included elite defense on the perimeter AND at the rim. To me this is a significant point in comparison, it doesnt diminish Kawhi's brilliance but it does highlight the characteristic differences in their roles and how they achieved their apex...

So again I would listen to an argument that Kawhi peaked as a better defender, as in I don't think it's an asinine take, but I don't think Kawhi's argument is particularly strong when you contextualize who they were and what they were doing at their peak...

Offensively Peak Kawhi was a lethal, surgical scorer...........but he's not on the same tier of LeBron as a peak offensive scorer, or offensive player period. I think we tend to throw out shyt like "Top 5", "Top 10" shyt without really considering the weight of what that shyt means...
 

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Where is the lie?

Durant was better earlier in his career than Kawhi; and both Durant and Steph have outlasted Kawhi as far as having more consistent, meaningful, longer primes. Those are legacy points in those guys favor; Kawhi is losing that bullet point to them...

Steph has the highest 1-year peak of those three, but Steph has a higher 1-year peak than a lot of guys. I'm not really a fan of the 1-year peak as a point of comparison, because there are plenty of players who have one season that stands out as an anomaly in their career, versus the rest of the their prime. So I prefer to guage guys by a 3-year, or 5-year, peak...

Kawhi is losing the prime battle overall to both guys. But peak play, sure if its a one-year peak, its clearly Steph; if its a 3+ year peak, its like I said in my post, you could definitely make the argument that Kawhi peaked higher than both guys...

Relax though g, Kawhi aint any threat to either guy's overall resume, the window he had to do that was the first couple years after winning in '19. He's not a better historical player than either, but I think his peak is debatable with both...
IMO Kawhi is better than Steph and Durant peak wise because he won Finals MVPs with completely different teams.
 

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Yall act like Kawhi aint bang on Steph
but but but KD was coming off Achilles :mjlol:
that playoff run was Godlike :ohlawd:
Giant, after giant after giant
and chopped em down with that plucky Toronto squad
 

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What's his 3 year peak?
1-year Peaks
'16 Kawhi (Y5)
'16 Steph (Y7)
'14 Durant (Y7)
'13 LeBron (Y10)

2-year peaks
16/17 Kawhi (Y5/Y6)
15/16 Steph (Y6/Y7)
13/14 Durant (Y6/Y7)
12/13 LeBron (Y9/Y10)

3-year peaks
16/17/18 Kawhi (Y5 thru Y7)
15/16/17 Steph (Y6 thru Y8)
13/14/15 Durant (Y6 thru Y8)
12/13/14 LeBron (Y9 thru Y11)

4-year peaks
16/17/18/19 Kawhi (Y5 thru Y8)
15/16/17/18 Steph
13/14/15/16 Durant
11/12/13/14 LeBron

5-year peaks
16/17/18/19/20 Kawhi (Y5 thru Y9)
14/15/16/17/18 Steph (Y5 thru Y9)
13/14/15/16/17 Durant (Y6 thru Y10)
10/11/12/13/14 LeBron (Y7 thru Y11)

**disclaimer, anything longer than 5-years isn't your "peak", it's just part of your prime. Peak is the level you held your absolute best play for anywhere 1-5 years...
 

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Yall act like Kawhi aint bang on Steph
but but but KD was coming off Achilles :mjlol:
that playoff run was Godlike :ohlawd:
Giant, after giant after giant
and chopped em down with that plucky Toronto squad

KD was the best player of that Finals and he only played like 5 minutes. Yall really forget how he changed the entire energy of the series in that short spurt.
 
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