Time To End The Narrative That Jay-Z Was Never The Top Rapper In The Game

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

wait this was a debate? I mean I'm a Nas stan but I can't deny that Jay was definitely that nikka during the early late 90s - 2000s

debate??

this board is basically in agreement over it.

i have to nip all that chit in the bud.

 

[JustCKing]

gangstas paradise went triple
dangerous minds soundtrack went triple because of coolio.
that 6 millie from '95.

pac wasnt moving single-disc units like that.
biggie died as a double-platinum rapper........double platinum.

EDIT:
i forgot the '94 part.
coolio outsold pac & biggie in '94 too.

those 2pac albums werent plat in real-time. S4MN didnt go platinum until after he got shot & went to prison. 2pacalypse went platinum after he died.

and yea, biggie RTD eventually went double platinum in real-time, but he didnt really take off until '95. coolio outside him in 1994. RTD moved most of its units in '95. by that point, coolio had gangstas paradise out, and we already went over that.

Comparing album to album, Biggie went double platinum in 1995 off of his 1994 album, which was more than Coolio's 1994 album. Coolio's 1995 album went double platinum. So he wasn't really selling more.

Just like in 1995, Pac's MATW went double platinum as did Coolio's album from that year. So again, Coolio wasn't selling more. Other than Coolio had a triple platinum single, a platinum single, and some gold singles. He had one single that was more successful than theirs. Don't see how that automatically translates into Coolio selling more than Biggie and Pac.

 

[iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King]

OutKast, nelly, dmx, & Eminem all outsold Jay-z.
NaS Etheree him and made him cry on the radio.
Top rapper contention denied.
Oh an Eminem murdered him on Renegade. Breh he is the most consistent and always stayed in top 3 contention but that’s it.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Comparing album to album, Biggie went double platinum in 1995 off of his 1994 album, which was more than Coolio's 1994 album. Coolio's 1995 album went double platinum. So he wasn't really selling more.

Just like in 1995, Pac's MATW went double platinum as did Coolio's album from that year. So again, Coolio wasn't selling more. Other than Coolio had a triple platinum single, a platinum single, and some gold singles. He had one single that was more successful than theirs. Don't see how that automatically translates into Coolio selling more than Biggie and Pac.

and by the time biggie & 2pac started selling and went double, coolio was going triple off of two different discs at the same dam time.

youre just trying to be a hard-ass, per usual.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

OutKast, nelly, dmx, & Eminem all outsold Jay-z.

with the exception of DMX, these were all commercial crossover rappers.

their cultural relevance didnt match their numbers.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

between DMX cooling off and the rise of 50 cent, theres a 2-3 year period where jay-z was clearly the hottest rapper in the game.

not no outkast, nelly, eminem, ludacris, jarule. naw mane. they were cool but thats not what folks was REALLY listening to and buzzing about like that.

 

[JustCKing]

and by the time biggie & 2pac started selling and went double, coolio was going triple off of two different discs at the same dam time.

youre just trying to be a hard-ass, per usual.

No he wasn't. Coolio's biggest album went double platinum in 1995. The single went triple.

And on that last part, I'm only bringing this up because nobody ever mentions Coolio selling more records than Biggie and Pac because it didn't happen. And when people mention rappers bigger than Jay rarely if ever are the singles (specifically the sales of singles) rarely if ever brought up.

 

[mobbinfms]

and by the time biggie & 2pac started selling and went double, coolio was going triple off of two different discs at the same dam time.

youre just trying to be a hard-ass, per usual.

You’re right about Coolio. That soundtrack debuted at number one and went triple plat in a few months 100% behind that Coolio song. So 3 million people bought the soundtrack, 3 million people bought the single, then another 2 million people bought Coolio’s album.
Unless I’m forgetting someone or some group, Coolio had to be the biggest rap artist/group/whatever in 95. And I’m including Bone in that because Bone had a whole second run in 96 with the remix.

 

[Cladyclad]

“I only gave u the crown to shoot it off yo fukking head”

Nobody thought X was talking about anyone but Hov

Even Nas acknowledged Hov was the dude with “we will survive”. nikka saying it ain’t about that

everyone knows Hov was the dude once vol 2 dropped and been there every since.

 

[iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King]

with the exception of DMX, these were all commercial crossover rappers.

their cultural relevance didnt match their numbers.

OutKast dropped the same day as hard knock life outsold HOV and they were considered hardcore hiphop at the time. End of the day jay-z never been number 1. He just talked about all the reasons he was number 1.
“Outside dmx” no nikka why don’t we talk about dmx.


why don’t we talk about dmx coming at Jay-z head and jay-z copped pleas like a bytch.
Many body else spit this at Jay-z they would have gotten bodied.
Dmx got an apology.
Hov got Ethelred and sucked the Dade with Dmx while he was dissing lil
nikkas that were in Harlem world and prodigy after prodigy had a sickle cell attac that affected his ability to defend himself.
Jay-z too 3 but fukk em.

 

[Cladyclad]

OutKast dropped the same day as hard knock life outsold HOV and they were considered hardcore hiphop at the time. End of the day jay-z never been number 1. He just talked about all the reasons he was number 1.
“Outside dmx” no nikka why don’t we talk about dmx.


why don’t we talk about dmx coming at Jay-z head and jay-z copped pleas like a bytch.
Many body else spit this at Jay-z they would have gotten bodied.
Dmx got an apology.
Hov got Ethelred and sucked the Dade with Dmx while he was dissing lil
nikkas that were in Harlem world and prodigy after prodigy had a sickle cell attac that affected his ability to defend himself.
Jay-z too 3 but fukk em.

Dmx said he wasn’t talking about Jay and Jay still threw shots on Blueprint. And Hard knock outsold Aquemini

 

[erker]

your statement was confusing.

jay didnt retire until '03, and that was likely because low-key, he was avoiding 50-mania.

Agree to disagree I guess, but I would for sure say that retiring after a lost battle equals losing steam.

 

[Cladyclad]

Agree to disagree I guess, but I would for sure say that retiring after a lost battle equals losing steam.

Jay was talking retirement after RD & Vol 2. And even in “retirement” he released 2 collaboration albums

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Agree to disagree I guess, but I would for sure say that retiring after a lost battle equals losing steam.

that battle was old news by then.

and like homie said above, jay was talking retirement thru his 1st 4 albums. prolly more than that.

 

[DropTopDoc]

His longevity is not given enough credit, and he had a run when him on your track meant gold between hard knock life and when he dropped the black album was his height, rap wise