Thread on Government Shutdown: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OFFICIALLY REOPENED!

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If anyone actually believes that an openly racist business can succeed in todays market they are kidding themselves.

I really wish that were true. I've seen some bullshyt down here man. I was born in NYC, grew up in Durham NC, which now in 2013 has overcome a lot of negative stereotypes and is now one of the most progressive cities in the south. Durham is the shyt. But now i live in Wilmington NC, which is out on the beach. Beautiful living, but the contrast with how I grew up is crazy.

People are still kinda backwards in a couple areas of the city, and I have no doubts that some racist businesses could survive. shyt, there are some white barbershops down here that are about as openly racist as you can get.

Mind you this is North Carolina. You don't think some openly racist businesses couldn't make it in Mississippi?

EDIT: I realize I just mentioned barber shops, but I was trying to make a point. I would love it if you were right.
 

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All that is nice in theory. My biggest gripe with libertarianism is a practical one. I live in the south, in NC. If you leave the rights up to the states, you're gonna see some crazy shyt in certain places. NC has regressed so much in the past few years. There has been proposed legislation that would literally re-segregate public schools.

Is it really a good idea to regress and get rid of Civil Rights legislation? That's a big one for me, and I have yet to see a libertarian actually answer the Civil Rights problem. If we go to a Libertarian society, is it really just "Well, if Alabama wants to have Black and White lunch counters again, Black people can choose to eat somewhere else." ?

That covert racism :wow:
 

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The racism you guys are worried about is going to always be there regardless of any laws against it.:manny:

The problem with that is there's a big difference between people being racists at home or with their friends and people having the green light to completely disregard Civil Rights. There's intrinsic harm being done if you take away Civil Rights legislation.
 

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The problem with that is there's a big difference between people being racists at home or with their friends and people having the green light to completely disregard Civil Rights. There's intrinsic harm being done if you take away Civil Rights legislation.
Agreed, I just think that harm is greatly exaggerated...

I mean, are you really trying to go to a white barbershop? :usure:
 

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This is gonna sound nuts but, outside social pressures and greed will remove them.

If anyone actually believes that an openly racist business can succeed in todays market they are kidding themselves.

But this is HL, and we here all know cacs are all out to get us. :sadcam:


I disagree with that. White people are a large majority in our country. There are SEVERAL industries that can not only survive, but thrive catering purely to white folk. Adversely, no minority owned industry could stand on its own catering only to a certain minority group and have any sort of national impact.

Like I said, Libertarianism works in a perfect world, but when there are entire towns/cities (widespread throughout the country) that purely white, there is no way a minority couldn't get screwed in those circumstances.
 

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Agreed, I just think that harm is greatly exaggerated...

I mean, are you really trying to go to a white barbershop? :usure:

Its hard to blame blacks or any minority group to not think the harm could be great based on America's track record regarding minority compassion.


That said, I've always said prejudice is MUCH more rampant than people think, but its actually less impactful than many make it out to be. As in, people are not going to completely overlook hiring you simply because you are black, but you will be overlooked as much as possible when it comes to promotions.
 

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I disagree with that. White people are a large majority in our country. There are SEVERAL industries that can not only survive, but thrive catering purely to white folk. Adversely, no minority owned industry could stand on its own catering only to a certain minority group and have any sort of national impact.

Like I said, Libertarianism works in a perfect world, but when there are entire towns/cities (widespread throughout the country) that purely white, there is no way a minority couldn't get screwed in those circumstances.

There are around 44 million black people in the US currently. Black industries could thrive if we kept to our own but obviously it wouldn't match the number that white people could put up.
 

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A few things libertarians advocate:

decriminalize all drugs
end victimless crimes
end all government subsidies
end imperialism
end entangling alliances
remove barriers to entry in the market
separation of church and state


to name a few...

I think there is a misconception about what libertarians represent...

:heh: @ you mentioning "end all government subsidies" and "remove barriers to entry" as positive changes.

This is gonna sound nuts but, outside social pressures and greed will remove them.

If anyone actually believes that an openly racist business can succeed in todays market they are kidding themselves.

But this is HL, and we here all know cacs are all out to get us. :sadcam:

Yes it sounds nuts and is nuts.
 

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Shutdown in the Classroom
The bottlenecking of WIC, Head Start, and federal aid will hit many students surprisingly hard.
By Tressie McMillan Cottom


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Children recite the Pledge of Allegiance at a federally funded Head Start school on Sept. 20, 2012, in Woodbourne, N.Y. Without Head Start, where might these kids, and their student-parents, be?
Photo by John Moore/Getty Images

How does the government shutdown affect higher ed? The general consensus is that immediate disruptions will be minimal for most universities: Certain campus-based financial aid programs may be affected, as this Inside Higher Ed piece points out, and of course, federal money for scientific research is bottlenecked for the moment. Though the consequences become more serious the longer the shutdown goes on, for now, most universities are putting on a concerned but stoic face.

But how are actual college students affected by the shutdown? Most accounts talk about students as different from workers and parents. Yet story after story about the consequences of the shutdown on Head Start, WIC, and housing subsidies feature recipients who are parenting and working while also going to college. Many rely on programs hardest hit by the shutdown. Fifty-two percent of college students who live on their own are living below the poverty line. For the neediest college students, the government shutdown can force hard choices with higher-ed consequences. For example, Victoria Thomas, an undergraduate at Florida A&M University and a mom, told the Tallahassee Democrat that she’d have to take out more student loans to pay for child care in the wake of the shutdown, which has forced the closing of nine Head Start programs in the Tallahassee area.

I wanted to look up the exact percentage of single parents currently enrolled in higher education, but the federally funded database of that information has been shut down. :deadmanny: Fortunately, Sara Goldrick-Rab of the University of Wisconsin–Madison has a good bead on trends among nontraditional students and access to higher education. According to Goldrick-Rab’s stats, the proportion of unmarried parents in college has nearly doubled over the past 20 years, from 7 percent of the total undergraduate population to about 13 percent, and 36 percent of African-American female undergraduates are single mothers. The economic reality for all single parents struggling to get through college is tough: low wages, economic precarity, and a greater risk of dropping out. The No. 1 concern for these parents is child care. When only half of all colleges provide any kind of child care services, student-parents are vulnerable to disruptions to programs like Head Start. New York’s PIX11 reported on Katimi Bouare, a mother of four who juggles housecleaning jobs and college courses to improve her job prospects—a schedule that becomes impossible for Bouare if Head Start closes. With one of the weakest family-policy safety nets of any industrialized nation, low-income single parents in the U.S. rely greatly on programs like Head Start, not only to augment a child’s development but to expand work and college options by freeing up a single parent’s scarcest resource: time.

Should a student-parent find the time, there’s still the issue of money. Child care is not cheap. According to a study by Child Care Aware of America, in 2011 the average annual cost of full-time day care for an infant in a center ranged from about $4,600 in Mississippi to nearly $15,000 in Massachusetts. Putting those statistics in the context of tuition shows what kinds of choices single parents in college must make. Child Care Aware also found that in most states, those same annual day care costs were higher than a year’s in-state tuition and fees at a four-year public college. For these college students, the effects of the college shutdown can force a decision between dropping out or, like Thomas, accruing more student loan debt to protect the educational investment they’ve already made.

But even those college students who find a way to meet their child care needs during the shutdown may face an even bigger concern: going hungry. As of Tuesday, the government had stopped funding the Special Supplemental Program for Women, Infants, and Children; J’Kai Jackson told NBC News that without support from WIC, she would “have to drop out of school to find work to provide food for my child.” Jackson is far from alone. Almost 30 percent of college students have household incomes that qualify them for some kind of social welfare program. College attendance is a centerpiece of the neoliberal take on welfare as contingent on work. With lifetime caps on how long you can be on welfare, the goal is to move from welfare to work quickly, and at any short-term cost. But finding work isn’t easy. Not only does a college education prepare students for better and more secure work, but studying for a degree can also help students meet their welfare eligibility requirements. When the shutdown brings social welfare programs like WIC to a halt, low-income students stand a bigger risk of dropping out.

Serving students dealing with fears about food, shelter, and child care is already difficult for institutions struggling with state budget cuts. The federal shutdown doesn’t help. We speak most often of how declining subsidies affect community colleges, and for good reason. But historically black colleges and universities have long recognized serving low-income students as a cornerstone of their institutional mission. At the majority of HBCUs, two-thirds of students qualify for need-based federal Pell Grants, a common measure for high financial need. Both community colleges and HBCUs fill the gap with support from programs like the Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant, which is designed to “give priority to students with the highest need”—the kind who might also need day care and food and housing subsidies. New applications for the grant can’t be processed at the moment, with 90 percent of the Department of Education’s staff on furlough.

The effects of the federal shutdown on women and the working poor have compounded consequences for students who are both. What’s lost in our coverage is the context of the daily choices college students face, and how they are different for different kinds of students. Institutions of higher education may have contingency plans to buffer the effects of the government shutdown, but many of our neediest students do not.

I think this thing will be resolved soon, but just some food for thought. I'll add it to the larger thread in a second.
 
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