This world is so fukked up that women think God is a girl

[Budda]

does this mean "heifer" or female behemoth? i have navigated many bheimah if that is the case

there were 2 angels who disobeyed God in the heavens! :

-The Bible says Lucifer turned 1/3 of the angels before they got cast out. -I can't remember the full details of the theory off top, I found it on YouTube looking for something else & watched it. Loosely it says Lucifer's rebellion was like the 3rd battle. Leviathan was cast out in the first &...

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EDIT - just so that I can possibly help you see what I mean (the horizon between Genesis and Exodus) I have delved into your Gemara to help you
from Sanhedrin 107b




the keywords to consider "the innkeepers wife's eyes were narrow" why would Yehoshua's speech entice the innkeepers wife?

Now why do you think it says in Exodus 1: "Now there arose a Pharaoh(Great House or House of a Great One) that did not know Joseph"?

Not every "King of Egypt" claimed to be a "Pharaoh" in fact, the proper title is nswt bjtj which means "He who belongs to the Sedge and Bee". Thats why in Genesis there is mention either during or after the time of Nimrod that the "Osirian" cult started in Egypt, meaning there was a different belief prior to this (atleast from Genesis account)

Remember Josephs "wife" who is a priestess of "On" (aka Pithom)

Asenath - Wikipedia

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and If you remember, Joseph went to his father Jacob and had him bless his sons Ephraim and Manasseh

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 48 - King James Version

And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed. And Jacob said unto...

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When it says "Moses rose up and struck an Egyptian who was smiting a Hebrew" how sure are you which Egyptian is being talked about?

This phrase sums up my meditations on this subject and I hope you consider it
"Ni De Aqui, Ni De Alla"

Can you expand on the point about Moses and the Egyptian

 

[Yaboysix]

F@CK all that, what do the Aliens think of God?...who made THEM? i want the answers to the hard hitting questions here

 

[MMS]

Can you expand on the point about Moses and the Egyptian

it is intentionally ambiguous for a reason, without putting myself in the line of condemnation I will let you consider it in full context

you have to read the exodus but also remember the judgments of genesis as pretexts for the judgments (good and bad) in exodus

IE why would Joseph and Pharaoh be an ideal and prosperous agreement (with Jacobs blessing on Ephraim and Manasseh)? and why would a Pharaoh arise that did not know Joseph?

and to ensure that you realize how near Egypt and Israel are, it is the Ptolemies that commissioned the writing/translating of the Septuagint (Old Testament). If they worshipped Egyptian "Gods" why would they do this?

Septuagint - Wikipedia

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King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did.[23]

Osiris - Wikipedia

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Plutarch recounts one version of the Osiris myth in which Set (Osiris' brother), along with the Queen of Ethiopia, conspired with 72 accomplices to plot the assassination of Osiris.[28] Set fooled Osiris into getting into a box, which Set then shut, sealed with lead, and threw into the Nile. Osiris' wife, Isis, searched for his remains until she finally found him embedded in a tamarisk tree trunk, which was holding up the roof of a palace in Byblos on the Phoenician coast. She managed to remove the coffin and retrieve her husband's body.

to me this is not a conspiracy as much as it is numeric mythology

IE the name of "Ten" in Hebrew is Asar (which is the real name of Osiris)

Hebrew numerals - Wikipedia

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[MMS]

F@CK all that, what do the Aliens think of God?...who made THEM? i want the answers to the hard hitting questions here

“KANYE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE JEWS” PROJECTED AT FLORIDA GATORS FOOTBALL GAME WITH GOVERNER DESANTIS IN ATTENDANCE

that sounds alot like Shrek! https://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-does-satan-rock-with-cacs-so-heavy.929559/page-6#post-46631123 to me, if the Tanakh is whats holy, and the talmud is just a commentary the secrecy involved with it is like a curse to me. Jews have many sacred texts, not just...

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[Koichos]

does this mean "heifer" or female behemoth?

It was being used as a general term for an animal, actually and figuratively.

Technically, in the Torah, בְּהֵמָה b'heimah normally means an edible domestic farmyard animal (mammal; cattle, sheep, deer, etc), while a 'wild animal' is usually called חַיָּה רָעָה hayyah raʿah (see, for example, B'reishιt 37:20, 37:33 and Vayyik'raʾ 26:6); we do not use בְּהֵמָה b'heimah for a fish, bird (poultry), insect or arachnid. Incidentally, in post-exilic Hebrew literature, the Sages distinguish between בְּהֵמָה גַסָּה b'heimah gassah (a 'large b'heimah', i.e., an ox, deer, etc) and בְּהֵמָה דַקָּה b'heimah dakkah (a 'small b'heimah', i.e., a sheep, goat, etc).

Following the slaughter of any בְּהֵמָה b'heimah, the shoheiṭ ('slaughterer') inspects its rei'ʿot ('lungs') for the presence of any swellings or tumors on their surfaces. If there are none, the carcass is termed halak ('smooth'), referring to the 'smooth' surface of its lungs; the meat is only kasheir if the imperfections in the surface of the affected lung can be rubbed smooth with a finger. Inspection of the lungs is not required in the case of poultry and thus any butcher who claims to be selling 'halak chicken' or 'halak turkey' is talking out of his tahat!

i have navigated many bheimah if that is the case

Ha!

Now why do you think it says in Exodus 1: "Now there arose a Pharaoh(Great House or House of a Great One) that did not know Joseph"?

That's more of a paraphrase than a translation; Sh'mοt 1:8 does not mention anything about a 'Pharaoh', only that

...מֶלֶךְ־חָדָשׁ עַל־מִצְרָיִם...​

...a new king[dom?] arose over Mitz'rayim...

Not every "King of Egypt" claimed to be a "Pharaoh" in fact, the proper title is nswt bjtj which means "He who belongs to the Sedge and Bee". Thats why in Genesis there is mention either during or after the time of Nimrod that the "Osirian" cult started in Egypt, meaning there was a different belief prior to this (atleast from Genesis account)

The Egyptian kings are not invariably referred to as פַּרְעֹה Parʿoh (par = house, ʿo = great), for example:

שִׁישַׁק מֶלֶךְ־מִצְרַיִם shishak melech mitz'rayim 'Shishak, the Egyptian king' (M'lachιm ʾAlef 11:40, 14:25; Div'rei Hayyamim Beit 12:2, 12:9)

סוֹא מֶלֶךְ־מִצְרַיִם sοʾ melech mitz'rayim 'Sοʾ, the Egyptian king' (M'lachιm Beit 17:4)

but

פַרְעֹה נְכֹה (נְכוֹ) מֶלֶךְ־מִצְרַיִם parʿoh n'chοh (n'chο) melech mitz'rayim 'Pharaoh N'chοh (N'chο), the Egyptian king' (M'lachιm Beit 23:32 (Yir'm'yahu 46:2))

פַּרְעֹה חָפְרַע מֶלֶךְ־מִצְרַיִם parʿoh hof'raʿ melech mitz'rayim 'Pharaoh Hof'raʿ, the Egyptian king' (Yir'm'yahu 44:30)

Remember Josephs "wife" who is a priestess of "On" (aka Pithom)

Yoseif ha-Tzaddik married ʾAs'nat, who was actually the biological daughter of Dinah (Yoseif's half-sister through Yaʿakov and Leiʾah), and Sh'chem ben Hamor ha-Hivvi. Being the daughter of a daughter of Yisraʾel (Yaʿakov), ʾAs'nat was a biological half-niece of Yoseif. The term כֹּהֶנֶת kohenet (feminine inflection of כֹּהֵן kohein) does not occur anywhere in the Bible and, in any case, the proper title for the daughter of a כֹּהֵן kohein (in the religious sense, which ʾAs'nat was not) is בַּת־כֹּהֵן bat kohein ('a kohein's daughter', Vayyik'raʾ 22:12, 13).

כֹּהֵן kohein often means 'minister', both in the sense of a government minister and also in the sense of a minister of religion. Sh'mοt 19:6 is an example of the latter while B'reishιt 41:50 and Sh'muʾel Beit 8:18 are examples of the former. כֹּהֵן אוֹן kohein ʾοn in B'reishιt 41:45, 41:50 and 46:20 (erroneously translated as 'Priest of Οn') actually means 'Minister for the Armed Forces' (because the Hebrew word אוֹן ʾοn is not a place-name, but means 'force' or 'power' and was used by Yaʿakov ʾAvinu when he blessed his son Rʿuvein in B'reishιt 49:3,

...רְאוּבֵן בְּכֹרִי אַתָּה כֹּחִי וְרֵאשִׁית אוֹנִי​

Rʿuvein—you are my firstborn, my strength and the principal part of my power...

It is interesting to note that פוֹטִיפַר Poṭifar (first appearance in B'reishιt 37:36) had held the rank of שַׂר הַטַּבָּחִים sar haṭabbahim or Justice Minister (sar haṭabbahim literally means 'Chief Executioner') some thirteen years earlier (see B'reishιt 39:1), but had been promoted to the post of כֹּהֵן אוֹן kohein ʾοn ('Minister for the Armed Forces') and, in keeping with his greater seniority, is no longer referred to by the nickname פוֹטִיפַר Poṭifar, but is called by his full name פּוֹטִי פֶרַע Poṭi-Feraʿ (suggesting that kohein was a more senior position than sar).

and If you remember, Joseph went to his father Jacob and had him bless his sons Ephraim and Manasseh

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 48 - King James Version

And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed. And Jacob said unto...

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Ah! how could I not? One of my favorite parts of the b'rachοt ('blessings') on Shabbat is the blessing of my sons. As we say,

יְשִׂמְךָ אֱלֹקִים כְּאֶפְרַיִם וְכִמְנַשֶּׁה׃​

May ʾElοhim make you like ʾEf'rayim and like M'nashsheh.

—which is taken directly from the Torah's account of Yaʿakov ʾAvinu blessing his two grandsons, M'nashsheh and ʾEfrayim:

...'וַיְבָרֲכֵם בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא לֵאמוֹר: 'בְּ'־ךָ יְבָרֵךְ יִשְׂרָאֵל לֵאמֹר 'יְשִׂמְךָ אֱלֹקִים כְּאֶפְרַיִם וְכִמְנַשֶּׁה​

That day, he blessed them by saying: [In the future,] Yisraʾel will bless [people] 'through' you by saying 'May ʾElοhim make you like ʾEfrayim and like M'nashsheh'... (B'reishιt 48:20)

When it says "Moses rose up and struck an Egyptian who was smiting a Hebrew" how sure are you which Egyptian is being talked about?

When the Egyptian was killed by Mοsheh Rabbeinu (Sh'mοt 2:12), we can understand from the words וַיַּרְא כִּי אֵין אִישׁ va-yarʾ ki ʾein ʾish 'he saw that there was no man' that Mοsheh foresaw, prophetically, that no descendants of that Egyptian would ever convert to Judaism.

As for who that particular Egyptian was, the Torah appears not to consider him important enough to be mentioned by name, however, it is explained (I cannot remember where, as I learned this years ago) that it was a gil'gul or reincarnation of Kayyin, the brother of Hevel.

This phrase sums up my meditations on this subject and I hope you consider it
"Ni De Aqui, Ni De Alla"

Quite a sobering expression.

 

[Koichos]

...it is the Ptolemies that commissioned the writing/translating of the Septuagint (Old Testament).

*Torah... there has never been a translation of the whole of the twenty-four books of the T"na"ch made by Jews until very recently.

IE the name of "Ten" in Hebrew is Asar...

No, no, no! עֶשְׂרֵה ʿesreih (fem.) is the '-teen' analog of עֶשֶׂר ʿeser (fem.); עָשָׂר ʿasar (masc.) is the '-teen' analog of עֲשָׂרָה ʿasarah (masc.).

The Hebrew word for 'ten' is עֶשֶׂר ʿeser [accent penultimate] (fem.), עֲשָׂרָה ʿasarah (masc.). For example:

*Fem.
עֶשֶׂר מַכּוֹת ʿeser makkοt (the 'ten attacks' that God brought on the Egyptians in the final days before the Exodus);

*Masc.
מִנְיַן עֲשָׂרָה min'yan ʿasarah (a 'quorum of ten' Jewish males who convene to establish a formal group for prayer).

*Grammatically, עֶשֶׂר ʿeser and מַכּוֹת makkοt are feminine declensions; מִנְיַן min'yan and עֲשָׂרָה ʿasarah are both masculine.

The word ‎עֶשְׂרֵה ʿesreih (fem.), עָשָׂר ʿasar (masc.) is used to form nos. eleven through nineteen. For example:

*Fem.
שְׁמוֹנֶה עֶשְׂרֵה sh'mοneh ʿesreih (the 'eighteen [actually nineteen][blessings]' - שְׁמוֹנֶה 'eight' plus עֶשְׂרֵה '-teen').

*Masc.
שְׁלֹשָׁה עָשָׂר עִקָּרִים‎ sh'lοshah ʿasar ʿikkarim (Ramba"m's 'Thirteen Principles' - שְׁלֹשָׁה 'three' plus עָשָׂר '-teen');

*Grammatically, שְׁמוֹנֶה sh'mοneh and עֶשְׂרֵה ʿesreih are feminine; שְׁלֹשָׁה sh'lοshah, עָשָׂר ʿasar and עִקָּרִים ʿikkarim are masculine.

...(which is the real name of Osiris)

Choosing one transliteration in preference to the other(s) just because it has the right 'letters' is obviously arbitrary and misleading.

 

[Mike809]

with how fukked up the world is , God got to be a man.

 

[MMS]

Ha!


Yoseif ha-Tzaddik married ʾAs'nat, who was actually the biological daughter of Dinah (Yoseif's half-sister through Yaʿakov and Leiʾah), and Sh'chem ben Hamor ha-Hivvi. Being the daughter of a daughter of Yisraʾel (Yaʿakov), ʾAs'nat was a biological half-niece of Yoseif. The term כֹּהֶנֶת kohenet (feminine inflection of כֹּהֵן kohein) does not occur anywhere in the Bible and, in any case, the proper title for the daughter of a כֹּהֵן kohein (in the religious sense, which ʾAs'nat was not) is בַּת־כֹּהֵן bat kohein ('a kohein's daughter', Vayyik'raʾ 22:12, 13).

כֹּהֵן kohein often means 'minister', both in the sense of a government minister and also in the sense of a minister of religion. Sh'mοt 19:6 is an example of the latter while B'reishιt 41:50 and Sh'muʾel Beit 8:18 are examples of the former. כֹּהֵן אוֹן kohein ʾοn in B'reishιt 41:45, 41:50 and 46:20 (erroneously translated as 'Priest of Οn') actually means 'Minister for the Armed Forces' (because the Hebrew word אוֹן ʾοn is not a place-name, but means 'force' or 'power' and was used by Yaʿakov ʾAvinu when he blessed his son Rʿuvein in B'reishιt 49:3,

It is interesting to note that פוֹטִיפַר Poṭifar (first appearance in B'reishιt 37:36) had held the rank of שַׂר הַטַּבָּחִים sar haṭabbahim or Justice Minister (sar haṭabbahim literally means 'Chief Executioner') some thirteen years earlier (see B'reishιt 39:1), but had been promoted to the post of כֹּהֵן אוֹן kohein ʾοn ('Minister for the Armed Forces') and, in keeping with his greater seniority, is no longer referred to by the nickname פוֹטִיפַר Poṭifar, but is called by his full name פּוֹטִי פֶרַע Poṭi-Feraʿ (suggesting that kohein was a more senior position than sar).


Ah! how could I not? One of my favorite parts of the b'rachοt ('blessings') on Shabbat is the blessing of my sons. As we say,

—which is taken directly from the Torah's account of Yaʿakov ʾAvinu blessing his two grandsons, M'nashsheh and ʾEfrayim:



When the Egyptian was killed by Mοsheh Rabbeinu (Sh'mοt 2:12), we can understand from the words וַיַּרְא כִּי אֵין אִישׁ va-yarʾ ki ʾein ʾish 'he saw that there was no man' that Mοsheh foresaw, prophetically, that no descendants of that Egyptian would ever convert to Judaism.

As for who that particular Egyptian was, the Torah appears not to consider him important enough to be mentioned by name, however, it is explained (I cannot remember where, as I learned this years ago) that it was a gil'gul or reincarnation of Kayyin, the brother of Hevel.


Quite a sobering expression.

interesting that you say it is sobering but in Egyptian rituals they used to do things to "destroy names"

i wonder if Moses (or whoever used this name) did this purposefully...

I have seen that it is a separate tradition having Asenath being the daughter of Dinah rather than the priest but it appears to not be conclusive:

This view has her accepting the Lord before marriage and then raising her two sons in the tenets of Judaism. This presents her as a positive example of conversion, and places her among the devout women converts. The other approach argues she was not Egyptian by descent, but was from the family of Jacob. Traditions that trace her to the family of Jacob relate that she was born as the daughter of Dinah. Dinah was raped by Shechem and gave birth to Asenath, whom Jacob left on the wall of Egypt, where she was later found by Potiphar. She was then raised by Potiphar's wife and eventually married Joseph.

the main reason why I would question the Dinah genealogy (gorem trickeration) is Asenath's name...which means "She who belongs to Neith" which is an Egyptian goddess of the abyss. Not to be confused with Anat who is a Canaanite war goddess. Remember in Jewish thought a Golem dies when letters are erased from their name (apparently)

So in a way yes Dinah (judged or vindicated) was raped by Shechem (a notable town) to give birth to a lasting judgment (Asenath)

what sort of "wall" would Jacob have left "her" on? Its clear to me that in the time of Egypt and Canaanite peace that the language lends itself to a more symbolic union than biological. Why that is I do not know.

 

[Koichos]

I have seen that it is a separate tradition having Asenath being the daughter of Dinah rather than the priest but it appears to not be conclusive:

Both can be true... Mοsheh Rabbeinu, similarly, had a natural mother (Yοcheved bat Levi) and an adoptive mother (Bit'yah bat Parʿοh).

the main reason why I would question the Dinah genealogy (gorem trickeration) is Asenath's name...which means "She who belongs to Neith" which is an Egyptian goddess of the abyss. Not to be confused with Anat who is a Canaanite war goddess.

Mose is an Egyptian name, too. So what? After all, Mοsheh's adoptive mother was an Egyptian princess.

 

[MMS]

Both can be true... Mοsheh Rabbeinu, similarly, had a natural mother (Yοcheved bat Levi) and an adoptive mother (Bit'yah bat Parʿοh).


Mose is an Egyptian name, too. So what? After all, Mοsheh's adoptive mother was an Egyptian princess.

for someone who is very particular about pronunciation and grammar, I would think you'd take a greater curiosity in it but I can understand why you wouldn't. What I was alluding to is that Asenath may have been a statue.

 

[MMS]

@Koichos remember how I mentioned the "diagram"? well it illustrated two "cups" one pouring out daath

and the other receiving it, the insinuation was that all knowledge (daath) is already known by God and the lower cup was what we spiritually live off of. The problem I had with it as I insinuated was that knowledge was coming from celestial bodies (see this passage of Enos again)

"During the times of Enosh, mankind made a great mistake, and the wise men of that generation gave thoughtless counsel. Enosh himself was one of those who erred. Their mistake was as follows: They said God created stars and spheres with which to control the world. He placed them on high and treated them with honor, making them servants who minister before Him. Accordingly, it is fitting to praise and glorify them and to treat them with honor. [They perceived] this to be the will of God, blessed be He, that they magnify and honor those whom He magnified and honored, just as a king desires that the servants who stand before him be honored. Indeed, doing so is an expression of honor to the king."

As soon as I saw the diagram I realized that if you inverted it, it was life leaving the lower chalice and going to the upper chalice implying vampirism. Which cant be attributed to God but to the serpent/Nahash

"St John with the Chalice"

According to legend, John the Evangelist was given a cup of poisoned wine that he drank without harm. As emblems of the tale, John’s chalice symbolizes the Christian faith prevailing over death, signified by the serpent. As a print, Meckenem's representation of Saint John like a sculpture in an architectural niche made it possible for more people to personally own a religious image that they might otherwise only have seen at a church.

the serpent as Ive enumerated before is the tongue and the tongue is subject to what we eat and its activity can be considered a separate entity from ourselves. It acts on impulse yet it has the power to create good and evil. All the sounds and ideas may or may not be good given that God created the world with speech.

When you consider revelation just on its function, it has ensnared and sacrificed (remember Exodus 20:24) many for almost 1000+ years largely because of the anguish of confinement by Roman authorities at the time. Because of this, I avoid it as it was authored also only in greek whereas Jesus says here:

Some people had accused him of “destroying” the words of the Hebrew Scriptures. His response was this – I will not destroy one yod or even one qotz of a yod of the Hebrew Scriptures.” Now we know that not only did Yeshua read and speak Hebrew, so did his followers and disciples – otherwise they couldn’t have understand what he taught!

This is why I said to you that I am also weary of Qohelet because it was written in hebrew (a holy language) but its author is clearly not divine and to me should continue to be disputed.