This Myth That LeBron James Makes His Teammates Better.......

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

exactly he got that shytty Cleveland team to the finals

How many .500 teams did he face in the first two rounds?

 

[Versa]

No....you just brought it up in a Bron thread and are now distancing yourself from criminalizing Bron as having some sort of fault in bosh sacrificing his game.

It's funny how when I added the ingredient of "team wins" to the equation, suddenly the Brons fault thing you were pushing loses its steam.

Lebron isn't holding back to Bosh's ability to succeed. If we're talking about championships and team success then yes Lebron has made Bosh a "better" player, but that was never what I was saying.

I said Lebron is holding Chris Bosh back in regards to Bosh being capable of offering much more to a team then he can playing with Lebron. See: Toronto.

Statistically and overall effectiveness = Bosh is a much worse player in Miami

If you're solely talking about being in a position to succeed in the playoffs, Bosh is obviously better in Miami.


Let me re-post the first thing I said in this page since you think the same thing I've been saying this whole time is somehow "losing steam"....

Obviously Lebron being the best player in the world has brought Bosh more SUCCESS, but Bosh is one of the more talented players in the league. How is Lebron literally reducing Bosh to a spot up jump shooter on most days getting the most out of his talent? Bosh is much more than that.

I thought it was generally accepted that Bosh has dumbed down his game drastically for the greater good of winning rings. Wade as well.

^ Read.

 

[FTBS]

Bosh is a great third option but I'm not seeing how he isn't a worse player?

He's statistically far less efficient. You pointed out his rebounding has dropped significantly, so how is that not worse?

I personally feel the team will be better going into the future if Wade becomes option 3 and bosh becomes options 2, but I doubt Wade's pride will allow him to accept that.

He is who he is. Getting less touches and shots has impacted his entire game. Thusly he's not the franchise guy who he was thought to be. He put up those numbers in TOR because somebody had to. Look at the great bigs that I listed. You think you would ever see a prime Duncan avg. 7 reb and spotting up for three all game. That doesn't happen with a true franchise caliber big man no matter who he's playing with. I have been saying he that more of the offense should go through him but if he's not gonna be making noise in the paint, then I'm sorry but a Lebron or D.Wade drive or even a Ray Allen, Battier, Miller, Chalmers three is a better option than Bosh from 20-23 feet.

 

[Versa]

He is who he is. Getting less touches and shots has impacted his entire game. Thusly he's not the franchise guy who he was thought to be. He put up those numbers in TOR because somebody had to. Look at the great bigs that I listed. You think you would ever see a prime Duncan avg. 7 reb and spotting up for three all game. That doesn't happen with a true franchise caliber big man no matter who he's playing with. I have been saying he that more of the offense should go through him but if he's not gonna be making noise in the paint, then I'm sorry but a Lebron or D.Wade drive or even a Ray Allen, Battier, Miller, Chalmers three is a better option than Bosh from 20-23 feet.

I think comparing Bosh to Duncan is unfair because they don't have similar games. Miami would incorporate Duncan's abilities to suit them as well as they could.

They did the same thing with Bosh, but the reality is that this big 3 is imperfect. Wade and Lebron are similar types of players and Chris bosh's style of play would not have fit in with the team unless he dumbed down- which he did.

A lot of people are forgetting that this Miami team is very flawed in it's structure and is only succeeding really because Lebron is the best player on the face of the earth and can cover up those blatant weaknesses. The Celtics big 3 of KG, Pierce and Allen was a much better big 3 in that they perfectly complimented one another. It's not the same with the Heat, and Bosh's game has suffered because of it.

But understand that I'm not using the words "suffering", "dumbed down", and "not being used to the best of his abilities" as a slight towards Lebron, Bosh, or the Heat. Their way got them a championship. I just know the statement that Chris bosh is a better player now is erroneous. He accepted not being able to get the most out of his gifts in exchange for money and rings. That's fine.

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

Stats make everyone feel smart. People think if they can list a line of stats that makes them an educated fan. Judging players overall ability is not done with stats. The elite players are gonna get numbers by being good at the game, after that, everyone has a role or is expected to chip in a handful of whatever else whether it's points, rebounds, assists, steals, 3 pointers, charges etc.

Chris Bosh isn't becoming a less effective player or even a less talented. I'm sure if he were on another team he'd put up all-star numbers for a team that would be losing in the first round. I think a big part in making people better is helping them not have to do so much. So yes Kobe makes his teams better because now Pau ain't the #1 guy the defense wants to stop which opens up his game to do more. LeBron makes all his teammates better with great passing, scoring and help defense. A lot of this isn't gonna be quantified by statistics and the average fan isn't watching for it.

If you actually know the game of basketball you know how 5 people are supposed to move on a court. You understand all the ways someone can impact a game. It would be one thing if LeBron was doing all this and the Heat weren't dominating regular seasons and playoffs. LeBron isn't out here getting anything lessthan top 2 seeds and Tim Duncan is the only other player of this era that share those qualities.

I know this thread is filled with trolls but it gets annoying talking about the same bullshyt just because y'all are feminine when it comes to players you like and don't like. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on this site when it comes to sports but when they gotta keep entertaining the trolls and idiots alike, it takes away from the quality of discussion.

 

[FTBS]

I think comparing Bosh to Duncan is unfair because they don't have similar games. Miami would incorporate Duncan's abilities to suit them as well as they could.

They did the same thing with Bosh, but the reality is that this big 3 is imperfect. Wade and Lebron are similar types of players and Chris bosh's style of play would not have fit in with the team unless he dumbed down- which he did.

A lot of people are forgetting that this Miami team is very flawed in it's structure and is only succeeding really because Lebron is the best player on the face of the earth and can cover up those blatant weaknesses. The Celtics big 3 of KG, Pierce and Allen was a much better big 3 in that they perfectly complimented one another. It's not the same with the Heat, and Bosh's game has suffered because of it.

But understand that I'm not using the words "suffering", "dumbed down", and "not being used to the best of his abilities" as a slight towards Lebron, Bosh, or the Heat. Their way got them a championship. I just know the statement that Chris bosh is a better player now is erroneous. He accepted not being able to get the most out of his gifts in exchange for money and rings. That's fine.

All I'm saying is that much of the dumbing down is on him and really isn't helping the team. The Heat have glaring needs when it comes to rebounding and interior defense. What is his excuse for not addressing these needs? He doesn't have to worry as much about scoring anymore so what gives? It seems as if he would rather be a tall spot up shooter. No true franchise caliber big guy would go along with that.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Let's be real. Bron stans were saying this shyt DAILY when he was in Cleveland. Now that actual evidence is shown to prove otherwise, they're running in the other direction. One of their biggest arguments that bronze was better than Kobe was, until this thread, "Bron makes his teammates better". Dumbasses were even saying this shyt for Nash in 06-07 trying to justify those two MVPs.

Just stop already bronze stans. Its over.

 

[hayesc0]

How come LeBron didn't scroll his game back to benefit others? Why everyone else have to sacrifice for him?

nikka are you stupid if lebron wanted to he could get a triple double everynight he does sacrifice trust me im done

 

[mbewane]

 

[Goatpoacher]

Let's be real. Bron stans were saying this shyt DAILY when he was in Cleveland. Now that actual evidence is shown to prove otherwise, they're running in the other direction. One of their biggest arguments that bronze was better than Kobe was, until this thread, "Bron makes his teammates better". Dumbasses were even saying this shyt for Nash in 06-07 trying to justify those two MVPs.

Just stop already bronze stans. Its over.

Exactly what do you mean by making teammates better? Because the Miami Heat team, in its entirety, is freakishly efficient, largely due to Lebron.

I realize you are a brainless kobestan, but you do realize that you will not get 3 players averaging 25 plus points on the same team, right?

 

[ROFL_GUY]

 

[Shogun]

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Exactly what do you mean by making teammates better? Because the Miami Heat team, in its entirety, is freakishly efficient, largely due to Lebron.

I realize you are a brainless kobestan, but you do realize that you will not get 3 players averaging 25 plus points on the same team, right?

I don't know. How about you tell me since you're the one who's been saying it for years.

 

[Street Knowledge]

An even bigger myth is that he can guard all five spots. Wonder how well he did last night?

He can only guard big man scrubs in the playoffs like Kendrick Perkins

"1 through 5 tho"

 

[J-Fire]

because y'all are feminine when it comes to

insults don't make for a good argument. almost had be on board till you threw out some sexist crap and insults.

dissing women...was you abused as a child? we all need hugs