This is the New Consensus Top 5 All Time.

[MINT]

Top 5 is Kendrick, Jay, Andre, Kanye, Scarface.

 

[JustCKing]

Except there's like 15 publications that changed their review for RD (and only for that album) once Jay was in a position to influence them.

Name them. And it is not out of the norm for publications to do go back and upgrade albums that grew in significance from the time they were released.

 

[SunZoo]

Em is def top 5, but pac and big ain't anymore.

Jay Z
Nas
Kendrick Lamar
Ghostface
Rakim

Lmao @ Ghost and Andre of all people moving Pac off the board, you nikkas are sick in the mind body and soul.

Biggie and Pac, while always will be mentioned together for obvious reasons, are on two different levels when it comes to the topic at hand and that has always been the case.

 

[tweezy]

Lmao @ Ghost and Andre of all people moving Pac off the board, you nikkas are sick in the mind body and soul.

Biggie and Pac, while always will be mentioned together for obvious reasons, are on two different levels when it comes to the topic at hand and that has always been the case.

Kast catalog >>>>>>>> pac & big

 

[darryl]

Only on this board would these out of touch nikkas justify Nas and Jay z being on here but Tupac And Eminem aren't you nikkas live in fukking Fantasyland.

 

[SunZoo]

Kast catalog >>>>>>>> pac & big

That's not neceserily true or even what this big picture idea is about. "Kast" is a duo and Andre is extremely over-rated.

Nobody is Mt. Rushmore'ing either of them on the strenth of cacs being keen on Andre dressing like WIlly Wonka.

If we're not talking about preferences/who your 5 favorite artists are...but the most IMPORTANT to point up when you tell the story of Hip Hop from it's inception til now, Andre 3K is not one of those guys.

I wouldn't even say Biggie is either but he's definetly more IMPORTANT to the context to the story of the culture than Andre. Pac is and will remain one of, if not THE most important MC's to point up, regardless of how much you or metacritic prefer their body of work.

 

[SunZoo]

You decided Metacritic the be all end all because it suit your argument, but it don't capture anywhere close to all the published reviews. And MMLP for example got plenty strong reviews and year end list placements, we not gonna pretend that album got weak reviews.

Critical acclaim ain't objective anyway. It's literally the opinion of (mostly white) critics and most of them come from a perspective outside hip hop culture. Industry awards ain't objective either. It's political, biased as fukk and opinion based with, again, a heavily white and non hip hop slant.

Eminem has won the Grammy for Best Rap Album more times than anyone else. Facts. You dismissive of that now but it will be a big deal if Kendrick ties or passes him, right? And Em easily the highest selling rapper of all time, but sales only matter when they in your favor. So none of this is really objective. There ain't an objective measure of the quality of music.

This is a hip hop board. If we can't formulate and articulate our own opinions what we even doing here?

Nas leads in none of that shyt and he is obviously a pillar/Mt. Rushmore of the culture. it's faggy Fantano music theory nerds from the periphrials of the culture who lean into that type of shyt to determine anything and they low key resent/don't like rap for real. Taking every oportunity they can to prop up shyt that 'trancends' rap or appeals to everything but the core audience, because they really don't respect it. It's just too prevelant to ignore.

 

[SunZoo]

Again, this isn't neccesrily about accolades, bodies of work, impact, preferance....all of that can be factored in AFTER you think about the Narrative.

There are certain MC's that are foundational and architechs, I have no qualms about anybody still holding Rakim as a top 5 MC though I understand that the longer we go, the more those guys simply become apart of the foundation and seemingly less noteworthy.

The reason why Jay/Nas and their contemporaries dominate that top 5 is because they bridge the gap.

You CANNOT tell Jay-Z, Nas or Eminem's story without Rakim and his ilk....

You CANNOT tell Kendrick Lamar's story without 2pac, Jay. Nas or Eminem, they're baked into that greatness for a reason.

That is why those types are Mt. Rusmore status 'objectively', not because of awards or numbers, but because highlighting them maintains the connection, the history from the foundation to the present day. Continuity.

Kendrick has the light now, he's becoming more and more noteworthy as we go, streams, sales, awards aside, he's global phenomon based off his pen. Even if you wanna attribute it to bots or the machine, it's all predicated on the RAP.

 

[SunZoo]

Top 5 is Kendrick, Jay, Andre, Kanye, Scarface.

If you could only talk about 5 rappers to explain Hip Hop history to somebody 100 years from now, Scarface is who you're going to bring up?

Keep in mind, I love Face, I wouldn't thumb my nose at a top 10 nod, top 20 at worst.

But Kanye West, Scarface don't bridge enough gaps of knowledge or connection across the culture to hold those slots in such a conversation, in my opinion of course.

 

[2ATMsYouSteppinOrWhat]

Scarface top 5

Eminem top 5

 

[iliketurtles]

Take Care is a classic

That’s it

Take care, Nwts, sfg, her loss, iyrtitl, $$$4u, wattba, views, scorpion

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Eminem, Andre & Kanye is pretty crazy

 

[H. Selassie]

Give me Scarface instead of Biggie and I’ll allow it.

 

[Conan]

Lmao @ Ghost and Andre of all people moving Pac off the board, you nikkas are sick in the mind body and soul.

Biggie and Pac, while always will be mentioned together for obvious reasons, are on two different levels when it comes to the topic at hand and that has always been the case.

You're arguing with bots

 

[Primetime21]

I cringe every time I see Andre 3000 in a top 5