"Thirty years ago, that's me," - Michael Jordan on Russell Westbrook

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Bron gets most of his points from charging in the lane lol. He's nowhere near as good as a scorer as Kobe. Another reason why stats are not everything.

Again, Shaq doesn't get his buckets in as many ways as Brooke Lopez or Kevin McHale but he's still a much better scorer.

Even if Lebron got his points in one way, he's almost unstoppable at it.

nikkas really try to dininish Lebron is a GOAT-tier slasher and finisher.
 

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Okay, for one, I was exaggerating. That should have been clear.

For two, somehow Lebron has lost 4 times in the Finals while the nikka you're trying to discredit at every opportunity has only lost twice. Even on his own, he was 2 out of 3. That means even without Shaq, he's a winner.

It's hard to quantify "killer instinct". The "metrics" say that Kevin Durant is the safer / better / more efficient option than Russell Westbrook but, I think anybody who watches the game will say that Russell has more killer instinct and more heart. Your argument supports Durant :skip:

Also, explain why in 2008, the Olympic Team preferred a 30 year old Kobe taking the Final shot in games instead of a young athletic 25 year old Lebron? I'll wait.

Also, what do you get out of arguing this when dozens of NBA players and legends have said Kobe has killer instinct. Tell me breh....what do you know that Bird, Jordan and Magic don't?

So Kobe is getting extra points for losing against the Suns instead of making it to the finals? So Kobe losing a 3-1 lead in the first round isn't a negative on his "clutch gene" and his winning record but Lebron losing against the Spurs in 2007 is somehow an indictment on him?
 

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So Kobe is getting extra points for losing against the Suns instead of making it to the finals? So Kobe losing a 3-1 lead in the first round isn't a negative on his "clutch gene" and his winning record but Lebron losing against the Spurs in 2007 is somehow an indictment on him?

Not having that. Address my points first and I'll address yours.
 

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Okay, for one, I was exaggerating. That should have been clear.

For two, somehow Lebron has lost 4 times in the Finals while the nikka you're trying to discredit at every opportunity has only lost twice. Even on his own, he was 2 out of 3. That means even without Shaq, he's a winner.

It's hard to quantify "killer instinct". The "metrics" say that Kevin Durant is the safer / better / more efficient option than Russell Westbrook but, I think anybody who watches the game will say that Russell has more killer instinct and more heart. Your argument supports Durant :skip:

Also, explain why in 2008, the Olympic Team preferred a 30 year old Kobe taking the Final shot in games instead of a young athletic 25 year old Lebron? I'll wait.

Also, what do you get out of arguing this when dozens of NBA players and legends have said Kobe has killer instinct. Tell me breh....what do you know that Bird, Jordan and Magic don't?
So you're just gonna immediately jump to the Kobe Stan narrative of count the rings while ignoring any and all context? Yeah it's all
About this mystical killer instinct as opposed to how the entire teams play. Let's ignore Kobe consistently having the best front court in basketball and maybe the best coach ever while the best coach LeBron has ever played for is either Tyron lue or David blatt. Let's ignore how much each player has been asked to do, such as LeBron and the heat losing in spite of his 28/8/4 on 57% shooting while the lakers win with Kobe averaging 15/4/4 on 36% shooting. As for winning without Shaq, Kobe wasn't even the lakers second best player and they still managed to win game 7. Lastly regarding the olympics, his jumper was a work in progress, and he was 23, not 25. You Kobe stans are getting lazier than post 2002 Shaq or post 2008 Sheed out here.
 

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Again, Shaq doesn't get his buckets in as many ways as Brooke Lopez or Kevin McHale but he's still a much better scorer.

Even if Lebron got his points in one way, he's almost unstoppable at it.

nikkas really try to dininish Lebron is a GOAT-tier slasher and finisher.

So Kobe is getting extra points for losing against the Suns instead of making it to the finals? So Kobe losing a 3-1 lead in the first round isn't a negative on his "clutch gene" and his winning record but Lebron losing against the Spurs in 2007 is somehow an indictment on him?
No getting through to these fools. There's a reason there's a fistful of them on the WOAT ballot every year
 

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So you're just gonna immediately jump to the Kobe Stan narrative of count the rings while ignoring any and all context? Yeah it's all
About this mystical killer instinct as opposed to how the entire teams play. Let's ignore Kobe consistently having the best front court in basketball and maybe the best coach ever while the best coach LeBron has ever played for is either Tyron lue or David blatt. Let's ignore how much each player has been asked to do, such as LeBron and the heat losing in spite of his 28/8/4 on 57% shooting while the lakers win with Kobe averaging 15/4/4 on 36% shooting. As for winning without Shaq, Kobe wasn't even the lakers second best player and they still managed to win game 7. Lastly regarding the olympics, his jumper was a work in progress, and he was 23, not 25. You Kobe stans are getting lazier than post 2002 Shaq or post 2008 Sheed out here.

You're a troll. The real hate always come out.

2/3 = 66%. He's a winner. Stay salty.

Best front court? The team looks laughable in hindsight now with the Heat, Cavs and GS superteams. Bynum averaged 8 points in the playoffs which is terrible...........Gasol averaged 18 points. Kyrie can go off for 35-40 anynight. As can Klay and Dray. As could Wade and Bosh. All these nikkas need players who can drop 25-30 a night to help. All Kobe needed was a second guy who could put up 15-18.

If Pau Gasol was the best Lakers player, then what the fukk happened? Shouldn't he have a couple rings now on his own with a few MVPs to match. You know since he's better than Kobe and all. Has anybody heard from that nikka since 2013? He's back to irrelevancy. The same realm he resided in before he came to LA.

I see you smooth skipped over the Durant and Westbrook comment. Your "metrics" argument falls flat on its face right there? :russ:

Lebron stans say Lebron was the best player in the league since 2005. So FOH with your excuses. On the 2008 Olympics team, they had the "Best Player in the League" :mjlol: on their team and they had Kobe Bryant. And they all told the "Best Player in the League" to sit his ass down. And he would've still sat his ass down in 2012 if Kobe wasn't an injured 33/34 year old.
 

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mufukkas in here are straight retard. in basketball the objective of the game is to get buckets, period. This means putting the ball in the hole in the most efficient manner possible. if a mufukka can get 30 a game on 50 percent from just layups and another mufukka gets 30 a game on 45 percent, but from fadeaways all over the court and impeccable footwork and shyt, guess what, the first guy is the 'better' scorer as far the game of basketball is concerned. The only argument you would have would be if you could stop the first guy from driving and therefore disrupt his game, making him inefficient. What you retards mean to say is that kobe is a more well-rounded scorer, or perhaps a more skilled scorer that can put the ball in the hoop in more ways. This is irrelevant bc lebron is the better player and will retire with the better legacy. shyt doesn't matter because if you want some fakkit that shoots from all over over a guy that can and will get to the basket every time then you don't understand strategy or the game to begin with. it's like with that little bytch curry, all his ass can do is chuck up threes along with his team, but they are playing within the rules so you would be stupid as fukk to pick someone besides in 9 out of 10 cases, doesn't matter how much you dislike them, they are very good at doing the primary objective of the game.
 

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You're a troll. The real hate always come out.

2/3 = 66%. He's a winner. Stay salty.

Best front court? The team looks laughable in hindsight now with the Heat, Cavs and GS superteams. Bynum averaged 8 points in the playoffs which is terrible...........Gasol averaged 18 points. Kyrie can go off for 35-40 anynight. As can Klay and Dray. As could Wade and Bosh. All these nikkas need players who can drop 25-30 a night to help. All Kobe needed was a second guy who could put up 15-18.

If Pau Gasol was the best Lakers player, then what the fukk happened? Shouldn't he have a couple rings now on his own with a few MVPs to match. You know since he's better than Kobe and all. Has anybody heard from that nikka since 2013? He's back to irrelevancy. The same realm he resided in before he came to LA.

I see you smooth skipped over the Durant and Westbrook comment. Your "metrics" argument falls flat on its face right there? :russ:

Lebron stans say Lebron was the best player in the league since 2005. So FOH with your excuses. On the 2008 Olympics team, they had the "Best Player in the League" :mjlol: on their team and they had Kobe Bryant. And they all told the "Best Player in the League" to sit his ass down. And he would've still sat his ass down in 2012 if Kobe wasn't an injured 33/34 year old.

no point debating that troll
 

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mufukkas in here are straight retard. in basketball the objective of the game is to get buckets, period. This means putting the ball in the hole in the most efficient manner possible. if a mufukka can get 30 a game on 50 percent from just layups and another mufukka gets 30 a game on 45 percent, but from fadeaways all over the court and impeccable footwork and shyt, guess what, the first guy is the 'better' scorer as far the game of basketball is concerned. The only argument you would have would be if you could stop the first guy from driving and therefore disrupt his game, making him inefficient. What you retards mean to say is that kobe is a more well-rounded scorer, or perhaps a more skilled scorer that can put the ball in the hoop in more ways. This is irrelevant bc lebron is the better player and will retire with the better legacy. shyt doesn't matter because if you want some fakkit that shoots from all over over a guy that can and will get to the basket every time then you don't understand strategy or the game to begin with. it's like with that little bytch curry, all his ass can do is chuck up threes along with his team, but they are playing within the rules so you would be stupid as fukk to pick someone besides in 9 out of 10 cases, doesn't matter how much you dislike them, they are very good at doing the primary objective of the game.

LOL stop it breh
Lebron is not even a better scorer than Melo
 

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I still wished Blake went to okc. his bytch ass better not act like he needs to be in LA to get in movies when Lebron was just in a movie and kd had a movie as well.
 

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mufukkas in here are straight retard. in basketball the objective of the game is to get buckets, period. This means putting the ball in the hole in the most efficient manner possible. if a mufukka can get 30 a game on 50 percent from just layups and another mufukka gets 30 a game on 45 percent, but from fadeaways all over the court and impeccable footwork and shyt, guess what, the first guy is the 'better' scorer as far the game of basketball is concerned. The only argument you would have would be if you could stop the first guy from driving and therefore disrupt his game, making him inefficient. What you retards mean to say is that kobe is a more well-rounded scorer, or perhaps a more skilled scorer that can put the ball in the hoop in more ways. This is irrelevant bc lebron is the better player and will retire with the better legacy. shyt doesn't matter because if you want some fakkit that shoots from all over over a guy that can and will get to the basket every time then you don't understand strategy or the game to begin with. it's like with that little bytch curry, all his ass can do is chuck up threes along with his team, but they are playing within the rules so you would be stupid as fukk to pick someone besides in 9 out of 10 cases, doesn't matter how much you dislike them, they are very good at doing the primary objective of the game.
Curry shoots well over 60% in the paint though :dahell:

Edit: he's shot 69% and 70% at the rim the last few seasons and is a career 45% shooter from 10 feet to 23 feet. He just takes the closest shots or the 3's. Mid range jumpers simply aren't the business anymore. :manny:
 
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For a lot of people? Yes. A scowl and tough talk tends to be more convincing than...you know...actual performance. That's the reason you had folks on here talking about KD letting Russ down when they both clearly choked after the GSW series.
Kd had the worst 3pt% on the team in the warriors series. Worst ws, bottom orpm. Shot less then 40% the last 3 games. Kd was awful the entire playoffs. I see why he made his decision he needs an all star team. If Kd had an even average game in 5 or 6 we would have went to the finals. Instead he proceeded to miss 40+ shots in 2 consecutive games
 

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Kd had the worst 3pt% on the team in the warriors series. Worst ws, bottom orpm. Shot less then 40% the last 3 games. Kd was awful the entire playoffs. I see why he made his decision he needs an all star team. If Kd had an even average game in 5 or 6 we would have went to the finals. Instead he proceeded to miss 40+ shots in 2 consecutive games

How much better was Russ? I get that you are now riding with the guy who is left (I recall you riding for both at the time) but that was and always will be on both of them. Any attempt to point the finger at one is just plain silly.
 
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